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WFH is not a "religious" war. For many people it's definitely a huge battle but for workers' rights, the same we had to do for the 8-hour day 100 years ago. Whe

WFH is not a "religious" war. For many people it's definitely a huge battle but for workers' rights, the same we had to do for the 8-hour day 100 years ago. When people realized they don't have to be packed like animals every day in order to do their work, they revolted. So yes, it is a full-scale war, but has nothing to do with religion or some dogmas, just realizing the absurdity of the pre-pandemic situation (especially in open-plan office spaces).

kkfx 2y ago
The war actually is not much about being packed in the office, but being packed in dense cities to be nearby the office, that's the real point IMVHO of the RTO push: if all jobs doable from remote get done from home people doing them will spread and as a results services will spread as well creating a new-old-distributed economy, witch is a very good economy for the people, for SME, ... but not for big players. If you live on mountains you do not use Uber for trips, you do not buy ready made food via Just Eat and so on. Big of real estate discovering that no one want big glass coated, hyper energivore towers but nice homes and homes are private business there is no much slack to bribe the public and craft big money affairs, in the end spread people OWN something so the 2030 "you'll own nothing" agenda fails. The rent-all, all is a service model fails. Those who really want the RTO do not care at all about the office, but the surrounding. If people realize that things will change faster.
basisword 2y ago
More flexibility should be a workers right. But WFH 5-days a week - I'm not sure about that. I was previously an ardent remote worker and did so on a hybrid basis pre-Covid. These days I'm not so sure it's the best thing. I know so many people not working for half the day. And their results show it and their colleagues suffer for it. But in countries where we have strong protections against being fired, getting rid of people for underperforming by 25% isn't easy. Certain people need the 'threat' of eyes on them in an office. Personally, I work harder in that environment. I don't particularly want to go back to it, but I can't deny it would be good for the company. There are also many who work much better at home - so it's not a simple problem. It needs to be decided team by team, company by company, and maybe even individual by individual.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  > These days I'm not so sure it's the best thing. I know so many people not working for half the day. And their results show it and their colleagues suffer for it. WFH really doesn't change this that much. I remember offices where half the people were fucking around on Facebook at their office workstations, pretty much all day when they weren't in meetings. Or talking about Sportsball in the break room.
  - basisword 2y ago
    Depends on the office. But in the office it can be controlled to a large extent. Personally, in an open office I never viewed social media, news, etc on my work computer. At home I do it all the time. But yeah depends highly on the office setup and culture.

kkfx 2y ago

The war actually is not much about being packed in the office, but being packed in dense cities to be nearby the office, that's the real point IMVHO of the RTO push: if all jobs doable from remote get done from home people doing them will spread and as a results services will spread as well creating a new-old-distributed economy, witch is a very good economy for the people, for SME, ... but not for big players. If you live on mountains you do not use Uber for trips, you do not buy ready made food via Just Eat and so on. Big of real estate discovering that no one want big glass coated, hyper energivore towers but nice homes and homes are private business there is no much slack to bribe the public and craft big money affairs, in the end spread people OWN something so the 2030 "you'll own nothing" agenda fails. The rent-all, all is a service model fails. Those who really want the RTO do not care at all about the office, but the surrounding. If people realize that things will change faster.

basisword 2y ago

More flexibility should be a workers right. But WFH 5-days a week - I'm not sure about that. I was previously an ardent remote worker and did so on a hybrid basis pre-Covid. These days I'm not so sure it's the best thing. I know so many people not working for half the day. And their results show it and their colleagues suffer for it. But in countries where we have strong protections against being fired, getting rid of people for underperforming by 25% isn't easy. Certain people need the 'threat' of eyes on them in an office. Personally, I work harder in that environment. I don't particularly want to go back to it, but I can't deny it would be good for the company. There are also many who work much better at home - so it's not a simple problem. It needs to be decided team by team, company by company, and maybe even individual by individual.

ryandrake 2y ago
> These days I'm not so sure it's the best thing. I know so many people not working for half the day. And their results show it and their colleagues suffer for it. WFH really doesn't change this that much. I remember offices where half the people were fucking around on Facebook at their office workstations, pretty much all day when they weren't in meetings. Or talking about Sportsball in the break room.
- basisword 2y ago
  Depends on the office. But in the office it can be controlled to a large extent. Personally, in an open office I never viewed social media, news, etc on my work computer. At home I do it all the time. But yeah depends highly on the office setup and culture.