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The Concepción metro area is 1 million people, Valparaíso/Viña as well. Chileans love to point out that there isn't much outside of Santiago but it's not really
by aeyes 2y ago
The Concepción metro area is 1 million people, Valparaíso/Viña as well. Chileans love to point out that there isn't much outside of Santiago but it's not really true.
- flobosg 2y agoWhile that might be true, Chile is a very centralized country, unfortunately.
- throw4847285 2y agoI was talking to Santiaguinos, so I took it with a grain of salt.
- jkaptur 2y ago"View of the World from Ruta 70"
- nox101 2y agois 1 million people a lot? I lived most of my life in metro areas of 15-30 million. when I finally ventured out and saw so many famous places at 1.5 million or less and how I could drive in and then back out of their downtowns in just a few blocks I was kind of shocked on how small most places are
- graeme 2y agoThere are only 26 areas in the world which are 15-30 million. They have about 550 million people, or about 7% of the world's population. 1 million is fairly large, especially in the context of Chile. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_cities
- Retric 2y agoThat list really undercounts many metro areas. DC’s “Metropolitan area in 2020 was 6,385,162” it’s CSA was 9,546,579 in 2016. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_metropolitan_area That list puts it at 5.2 million people.
- TylerE 2y agoThe 6M is included in the 9. They're not separate counts. That CSA also includes Baltimore so not a vary fair example. Absolutely not the same metro.
- Retric 2y agoI was mostly bringing up the 5.2 vs 6.4 both under Metro area. The CSA isn’t necessarily relevant, but a reasonable agreement exists that it’s really the same metro area. The beltways (495, 695) are less than 25 miles apart. Laurel, Maryland is 20 miles from both downtown DC and downtown Baltimore. Meanwhile the other cities from Richmond to Boston are 95-200 miles from each other. I knew someone whose tech support job would regularly send them to both cities in the same day. Apparently many companies located between them so they could easily serve both.
- bradknowles 2y agoYou can’t just look at distance and judge. I knew guys who lived north of Baltimore but commuted every day to the Pentagon. That doesn’t make Baltimore and DC two parts of the same city. Just like there are people who commute from New York to London, or vice-versa. NyLon is a thing, but that still doesn’t make them two parts of the same city.
- Retric 2y agoSame city is irrelevant, same metro area based on how people behave is what matters. People commuting from downtown Baltimore to DC have a faster commute than many living in well recognized DC suburbs. That’s very different than NyLon.
- bradknowles 2y agoDistance is irrelevant. I lived there. The cultures of DC and Baltimore are fundamentally different. Related, yes. But not the same.
- nox101 2y agoLooking at that list there are probably 100s of "metro areas" with > 1m Look at the UN 2019 population estimates and sort by it. The last 10 areas are 5.49m, 5.49m, 5.38m, 5.38, 5.30m, 5.21m, 5.16m, 5.09m, 5.05m, 5.02m Given how curves like this usually go there's an extremely long tail to get to 1m Concepcion has only ~200k people with <1m metro. Looking at a map of the city and with only 200k people it doesn't seem big
- graeme 2y agoA fair point. This list has 468 above 1 million and I think that's the urban boundaries and not metro I hadn't actually googled concepcion, 200,000 in the urban area is quite small. It would be interesting to somehow workout the percentile of population living in a larger/smaller place. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_over_one_million_inhabitants https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_with_over_one_m...
- SkyPuncher 2y agoIn my book, 1M people is when a city starts to become a “proper” city. It’ll host major events, invest in public transit (beyond bus), have extensive infrastructure, have extremely thorough airport service, likely have many walkable neighborhoods, and generally feel like a city. Under 1M and the city center tends to be very small with most people driving from the suburbs.
- nox101 2y agoWe're talking metro area, not city. If the city is 1M, it's metro area is likely 1.5 to 3 million. If the metro area is 1m then the city is probably 750k to 350k people. The post above said "The Concepción metro area is 1 million people" which means the city itself is much smaller. In fact, Wikipedia says it's 200k people, 1m metro area
- noduerme 2y agoJust a quibble about the metro to city population ratio... I think it's usually a lot higher than 1.5 or 3 to 1. Portland where I live has a population of around 650k (city) and 2.6M (metro). So about 4:1. And it's one of the less spread out metro areas in the US. The LA metro has about 18.5M and the city itself about 4M. Chicago is also about 4:1. NYC is the exception at closer to 2.5:1. Just having grown up in LA (the city), I think there's a cognitive bias in these places against recognizing just how freakin large they are when you live there. There are large corners of my home metro area I've never been to at all, whose people I would almost never interact with... and I say that as a former taxi driver! Of course, taxi driving in LA was always balkanized so you'd need separate licenses to pick up in this or that suburb... very Snow Crash-like even in the 90s.
- Barrin92 2y ago>Under 1M and the city center tends to be very small with most people driving from the suburbs. That's a very US or modern Asian city view. In my corner of the world, the Rhine-Ruhr area and the Franco/German/Benelux region almost all cities are < 1 million but you'd be hard pressed to not call Ghent or Rotterdam[1] or Düsseldorf a proper city. [1]https://t0.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5dl_qfScoQ4vSD1LUAwHIXPdaHyS8rkQ7H1x7RbPgndyMNQ4O_SOICHdcpW3NWau8 https://t0.gstatic.com/licensed-image?q=tbn:ANd9GcR5dl_qfSco...
- throwaway2037 2y agoJesus. What a post. 15-30 million? Where? There aren't that many on the planet.
- 39896880 2y agoI suspect Shenzhen for one
- lazide 2y agoChina and India both have tons of places that meet that criteria.
- com2kid 2y agoTraveling around China, their sense of scale it pretty much 10x what America's is. 1 million is barely a city, around 5 million and you are a 2nd tier city, hit 8+ million and you are a "real city". Meanwhile people in America are arguing that they are worried their "100k town is going to add 5000 people and become an urban hellscape!"
- dayjaby 2y agoI visited a 8 million pop city. They had barely any foreign restaurants and my Chinese colleagues look down on me to have only visited a "small city".
- nox101 2y agoTo all the downvotes, did you look at a map of Concepción? It's small. It's 200k people. It's "metro area" (the 1m) is spread out.
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- latentsea 2y agoAs someone who lives in a city with 1.5 million people... growing up I felt pretty underwhelmed by our downtown and you can indeed pass through it in a few blocks. The first time I went to Tokyo I felt like I was in a real city. But then again, it's one of the largest cities on earth, so of course it feels like a real city. Though cities like mine are far more common.
- throw-the-towel 2y agoValparaíso and Viña are just next door from Santiago though.
- tvaughan 2y agoThere isn’t. Especially in the south. Floods, fires, and killer bears. It’s like The Purge, but every day. Don’t come.
- dr-detroit 2y ago[dead]