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Chilean Spanish is heavily influenced by Spanish, German, Italian, and Croat immigrants from a pronunciation and colloquialism standpoint because those were the
by alephnerd 2y ago
Chilean Spanish is heavily influenced by Spanish, German, Italian, and Croat immigrants from a pronunciation and colloquialism standpoint because those were the 4 main immigrant communities to Chile.
Also, Spain Spanish is not necessarily "Standard" (Castilian) Spanish.
- rob74 2y agoThat's why I put it in quotes :)
- alephnerd 2y agoSpain Spanish isn't "Standard" Spanish though. The closest thing to "Standard" Spanish is what the RAE prescribes, but no one listens to them. Insurgencies and protests were fought over this fact in Spain during the Francoist and Post-Francoist era (eg. Andalusian, Murcian, Canarian, Leonese)
- melenaboija 2y agoMy opinion as Spaniard and having a chilean close, is that Chilean Spanish is the closest to mine in terms of pronunciation. And to me what makes the biggest difference is not European migration but native words.
- Phrodo_00 2y agoMore than any of that, it's influenced by Mapuzungun in a way other countries just aren't exposed - Argentina's Conquest of the Dessert was more brutal, and is the only other modern country where Mapuche land was.
- colimbarna 2y agoDesert, n, stress on the first syllable, means a place without much rain, but it comes from the notion of being deserted so sometimes it just means an unpopulated area. To desert, v, stress on the second syllable, means to leave/abandon something. Desert, n, stress on the second syllable, is what you deserve "he got his just deserts" Dessert, n, stress on the second syllable, is a sweet course of a meal that follows the main course. It has an extra s because of its etymology not its pronunciation. I'm quite sure this mess was designed to be as confusing as possible.
- Phrodo_00 2y agoThanks, I don't normally make this kind of phonetic mistake. Didn't even notice.
- ivm 2y agoThe main influences are Mapudungun and the Andalusian accent due to many early immigrants coming from that region. Neither German nor others were numerous enough to influence the Chilean dialect, especially in the capital (Germans and Croats mostly got lands in the south).
- flobosg 2y ago> Neither German nor others were numerous enough to influence the Chilean dialect I’ll just say: kuchen, cachái.
- ivm 2y agoBut cachái doesn't come from English-speaking immigrants. It's just one of the many English loanwords present in modern languages. And despite living in Valdivia –a city that once had street signs in German– I can't recall any other German loanwords aside from kuchen.
- flobosg 2y ago> It's just one of the many English loanwords present in modern languages. Which other modern language uses cachái, with the same spelling, in the same context as Chile? > I can't recall any other German loanwords aside from kuchen. Still influenced the dialect, didn’t it?
- ivm 2y agoI was trying to say that loanwords are generally present in languages. Modern German itself has many weirdly used English words without any immigrants to bring them in the first place. > Still influenced the dialect, didn’t it? A few food names do not qualify as "influenced the dialect" for me. Mapudungun did influence the Chilean dialect, but German did not. I generally find the "German influence in the south" very exaggarated and a cover-up for the fact that the primary influences in the south have always come from Mapuche culture. But there's a broad veneration of Germans and other Europeans, combined with a disdain towards indigenous peoples and their cultures, so the "German South" myth withstands, along with that one photo of Puerto Varas taken from the right angle to make it look like a German town.