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The Seal Team 6 example keeps getting batted around and that's unfortunate because it would be an extreme and obviously outrageous attack which would attract mu
by scelerat 2y ago
The Seal Team 6 example keeps getting batted around and that's unfortunate because it would be an extreme and obviously outrageous attack which would attract much unwanted attention.
Part of the ruling was that conversations between DOJ and President constitute the President's official duties and "therefore" (per the three judges appointed by Trump, one who expressed sympathies with Jan 6 rioters, and yet another whose wife was an active endorser and planner of aspects of the coup) those conversations are protected and cannot be entered as evidence in a criminal proceeding against the President.
The more insidious outcome is that the President can now, because these conversations are official, officially order the AG to investigate and prosecute political opponents.
Maybe some court can review it on down the line, years later. Given the number of judges appointed by Trump, maybe not. Either way, the federal government and rule of law was massively, severely crippled yesterday by the Supreme Court
- ttyprintk 2y agoAgree with your sentiment. But overseeing elections is not the official duty of either Trump or Biden, that goes to individual states. And using the military to neutralize political opponents is only extreme if Biden does it. Trump openly wants military tribunals for treason against his opponents, which is his way of grasping for jurisdiction in ordering military intervention in the halls of power.
- kaba0 2y ago[flagged]
- Obscurity4340 2y agoGood-faith exception evidence against thee, not mee (Trump probably)
- rangestransform 2y agoNope, excluding illegally obtained evidence, period, end of story, is the only way to keep governments from being incentivized to surveil the masses I would argue that even allowing the inevitable discovery argument or parallel reconstruction is insufficient privacy protections The government should never be able to benefit from illegally spying on citizens
- commandlinefan 2y ago> order the AG to investigate and prosecute political opponents So... exactly what they've been doing for the past four years already?
- kccoder 2y agoDo you have any evidence to support the claim that Biden has ordered his AG to investigate Trump? Simpler explanation for Trump's legal issues: he committed crimes.
- alsaaro 2y agoThe Seal Team 6 example is batted around because it is specifically cited by Trump's legal counsel as an official act that isn't bound by law -- the conservative Supreme Court has endorsed this.
- Accujack 2y ago...and that example was actually used in one of the dissenting opinions.
- EasyMark 2y agoYes, I will take Sotomayor’s well voiced dissent as golden over an opinion on HN any day of the week. I might have been less worried it at least one of the conservatives had voted against this attempt to validate Executive assassinations and imprisoning opponents as the law of the land, but it was 6-3
- jsizzle 2y agoNot even political rivals. What’s stopping Biden from ordering cumbersome investigations on each of the Supreme Court justices? Especially the ones that are ducking ethics issues?
- EasyMark 2y agoI think Biden won’t do it because he has morals and believes in democracy. There is nothing stopping Trump from doing it, since he doesn’t believe in anything other than power and self advancement.