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Voting !== Democracy A proper and healthy Democracy is more neuanced than voting. To dumb down Democracy to voting is ultimately undermining Democracy. For ex

Voting !== Democracy A proper and healthy Democracy is more neuanced than voting. To dumb down Democracy to voting is ultimately undermining Democracy. For example, what about The Fourth Estate? Or, look at the USA. The two major parties have a stone cold duopoly. There was a "debate" last week. Look at the two products offered. Does either one look like the brands care about their customers? Or does it look like a cartel of two companies controlling the market and effectively saying, "These are our broken and pathetic products. You will buy one of them, and you will like it." That's not Democracy. Correct if I'm wrong but the turnout in the last POTUS election was record numbers. So how exactly has voting fixed and improved the American "democracy"?

nonrandomstring 2y ago
(producer here) You're absolutely right. Discussion of that is in the episode (which I hope you're enjoying :) I edited down almost 3 hours of very lively talk on folks like Horace Mann, and Aristotle's taxonomy on the stability of different sorts of assembly. What we ended up with is the more topical and amusing stuff... because 2024! And I really wanted to hear from someone with a different cultural perspective. Eastern Europe is already 'interesting', and the recent Indian election was a dry run for lots of "deep fake fears" that didn't materialise. > A proper and healthy Democracy A key phrase. Are our democracies healthy and proper? But what is practical? And what is practical in a particular epoch and culture? > Does either one look like the brands care about their customers? Or does it look like a cartel of two companies controlling the market In the show we talk about 'politics' as distinct from governance and democracy. In many ways what you are talking about is the show-business built atop actual civic process - a thing we mistake for democracy that is just profitable entertainment.
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  Show biz" I prefer to call it the Politics Industrial Complex - which also includes the dysfunctional and deceptive media. The same entities and media that refuse to admit they're part of the problem. There is no Democracy without accountability.

nonrandomstring 2y ago

(producer here) You're absolutely right. Discussion of that is in the episode (which I hope you're enjoying :) I edited down almost 3 hours of very lively talk on folks like Horace Mann, and Aristotle's taxonomy on the stability of different sorts of assembly. What we ended up with is the more topical and amusing stuff... because 2024! And I really wanted to hear from someone with a different cultural perspective. Eastern Europe is already 'interesting', and the recent Indian election was a dry run for lots of "deep fake fears" that didn't materialise. > A proper and healthy Democracy A key phrase. Are our democracies healthy and proper? But what is practical? And what is practical in a particular epoch and culture? > Does either one look like the brands care about their customers? Or does it look like a cartel of two companies controlling the market In the show we talk about 'politics' as distinct from governance and democracy. In many ways what you are talking about is the show-business built atop actual civic process - a thing we mistake for democracy that is just profitable entertainment.

chiefalchemist 2y ago
Show biz" I prefer to call it the Politics Industrial Complex - which also includes the dysfunctional and deceptive media. The same entities and media that refuse to admit they're part of the problem. There is no Democracy without accountability.