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> and many people, when they're in the mood to have sex with sexy people, don't want to use protection. I don't believe not using a condom with a Tinder date i

> and many people, when they're in the mood to have sex with sexy people, don't want to use protection. I don't believe not using a condom with a Tinder date is an option, at least in the West. No matter how attractive and insisting the male is, a woman knows she is the one to bear the consequences. Even if they're on a pill, STDs are still a thing, so why take the risk.

Jensson 2y ago
> a woman knows she is the one to bear the consequences The man has to also bear the consequences in most nations, since he has to pay a lot of money. They like sex, but not at that price.
- immibis 2y ago
  The problem is that a person's "lizard brain" is set to override rational thoughts. Although this effect can be decreased with training (something we do to all humans as they grow up) it's hardly an effective thing to rely on them following. Try telling a hungry person they can't eat without a napkin tucked under their collar (the nearest napkin store is 10 minutes away) or telling a person with a very full bladder they can't cut the queue for the toilet. It just isn't reliably going to work. They're probably going to ignore you. (Although having sex isn't something that you need to survive (like eating), or something that will happen embarrassingly for physics reasons if you don't choose a voluntary place to do it (like peeing), it is controlled by similar mechanisms thanks to evolution being evolution.)
jampekka 2y ago
> I don't believe not using a condom with a Tinder date is an option, at least in the West. It's a very common option. About 30% report non-use of condoms in their previous one-night-stand. Most STDs are minor and/or easily treatable diseases. The worry about them has a huge moralistic component. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9274792/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9274792/
immibis 2y ago
See, that was my point. They still do, because it's sexy and that is the only thing they want to matter in that moment. With penalties you are trying to make the signal from the person's rational brain strong enough to override their lizard brain, in a moment when the lizard brain is emitting very strong signals already. It works somewhat, but to a much lesser extent than, say, penalties for driving without carrying a warning triangle, which is a rational-brain activity. At some point the penalties are creating a cost that is bigger than the cost of dealing with the thing they are trying to prevent, while still not working all that well. Anyway, that's extremely off topic. I think the point is that there's no shortage of babies wanting to get made, and if you want the population to make more babies, you should reduce the things that are preventing them from doing so, not add positive incentives (unless they cancel out negative ones).

Jensson 2y ago

> a woman knows she is the one to bear the consequences The man has to also bear the consequences in most nations, since he has to pay a lot of money. They like sex, but not at that price.

immibis 2y ago
The problem is that a person's "lizard brain" is set to override rational thoughts. Although this effect can be decreased with training (something we do to all humans as they grow up) it's hardly an effective thing to rely on them following. Try telling a hungry person they can't eat without a napkin tucked under their collar (the nearest napkin store is 10 minutes away) or telling a person with a very full bladder they can't cut the queue for the toilet. It just isn't reliably going to work. They're probably going to ignore you. (Although having sex isn't something that you need to survive (like eating), or something that will happen embarrassingly for physics reasons if you don't choose a voluntary place to do it (like peeing), it is controlled by similar mechanisms thanks to evolution being evolution.)

jampekka 2y ago

> I don't believe not using a condom with a Tinder date is an option, at least in the West. It's a very common option. About 30% report non-use of condoms in their previous one-night-stand. Most STDs are minor and/or easily treatable diseases. The worry about them has a huge moralistic component. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9274792/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9274792/

immibis 2y ago

See, that was my point. They still do, because it's sexy and that is the only thing they want to matter in that moment. With penalties you are trying to make the signal from the person's rational brain strong enough to override their lizard brain, in a moment when the lizard brain is emitting very strong signals already. It works somewhat, but to a much lesser extent than, say, penalties for driving without carrying a warning triangle, which is a rational-brain activity. At some point the penalties are creating a cost that is bigger than the cost of dealing with the thing they are trying to prevent, while still not working all that well. Anyway, that's extremely off topic. I think the point is that there's no shortage of babies wanting to get made, and if you want the population to make more babies, you should reduce the things that are preventing them from doing so, not add positive incentives (unless they cancel out negative ones).