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I wonder if the Havanna syndrome is somehow correlated with this as well

by baxtr 2y ago

emsign 2y ago
Pressure buildup in the cranium due to microwave heating? Victims have reported a feeling as if their heads are about to explode.
- zxexz 2y ago
  Huh. I feel like that almost daily nowadays. Maybe I should grab some tinfoil. Unless it's coming from inside the head...
  - hdjrldbrhrh 2y ago
    Go see a doctor. Run. Don't walk.
    - s5300 2y ago
      [dead]
  - _heimdall 2y ago
    If you believe someone may be pointing a microwave weapon at you, please do not wrap your head in foil like a baked potato.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
somenameforme 2y ago
There was a rather scathing study on it here. [1] In short the government's own internal investigations realized the obvious answer, a mass hysteria event, was the most likely culprit. But politics got involved and so then they classified reports mentioning this, and released reports suggestive of foreign adversaries attacking people with some mystery weapon, even though their own internal reports put the chances of that at basically zero. So they then set out so study and solve the issue, unsurprisingly finding nothing. The paper's concluding paraph is brutal: --- Over the course of their 6-year investigation into “Havana Syndrome” U.S. officials expended considerable human capital and financial resources going down a rabbit hole searching for exotic explanations. Instead of finding secret weapons and foreign conspiracies—they found only rabbits. For in the end, prosaic explanations were determined to be the cause of the events in Cuba and its subsequent global spread. That is the lesson of “Havana Syndrome”—follow the science. --- [1] - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10913303/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10913303/
- josefresco 2y ago
  Then there was this: "Unraveling Havana Syndrome: New evidence links the GRU's assassination Unit 29155 to mysterious attacks on U.S. officials and their families" https://theins.ru/en/politics/270425 https://theins.ru/en/politics/270425
  - somenameforme 2y ago
    Do you not realize when you're reading literal propaganda? This quote is but one section from there, which I clicked to because it had a silly heading - and it delivered. --- A consensus has formed among the growing community of AHI sufferers that the U.S. government — and the CIA in particular — is hiding the full extent of what it knows about the source of Havana Syndrome. The victims offer two general hypotheses as to why. The first is that releasing the full intelligence around Russian involvement might be so shocking as to convince the American people and their representatives that Moscow has committed an act of war against the United States, thereby raising thorny questions as to how a nuclear power fond of showing off its hypersonic missiles ought to be made to pay. --- Okay, so Russia is running around randomly attacking low level embassy workers, and the US knows this and is playing PR for Russia, because they're worried about US citizens viewing Russia negatively. I'm sure there's far more absurd mental gymnastics in there as well, as that was literally from the first section I clicked to. When we get out of this clown world era and back to something vaguely resembling normalcy, there's about a 100% chance that these "citizen investigative journalists" are mostly all going to end up having been little more than Operation Mockingbird 2.0. [1] [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
    - josefresco 2y ago
      Russia isn't "running around randomly". Their (alleged) actions are very targeted and deliberate. "attacking low level embassy workers" Do you think really they'd pick the US president as their first target on an experimental (or even proven) weapon? And I wouldn't call embassy employees "random" in any context. >US knows this and is playing PR for Russia, because they're worried about US citizens viewing Russia negatively As a student of history, there are hundreds of reasons and prior examples of governments hiding the true capabilities of nations they consider enemies or adversaries. This allows them time to investigate and create a defense, it also appease the public becuase telling everyone "hey everyone watch out our advisory has this super top secret weapon to which we have no defense!" is not a great idea. The idea that the US would "play PR for Russia" is absurd.

I wonder if the Havanna syndrome is somehow correlated with this as well

by baxtr 2y ago

I wonder if the Havanna syndrome is somehow correlated with this as well

Pressure buildup in the cranium due to microwave heating? Victims have reported a feeling as if their heads are about to explode.

zxexz 2y ago
Huh. I feel like that almost daily nowadays. Maybe I should grab some tinfoil. Unless it's coming from inside the head...
- hdjrldbrhrh 2y ago
  Go see a doctor. Run. Don't walk.
  - s5300 2y ago
    [dead]
- _heimdall 2y ago
  If you believe someone may be pointing a microwave weapon at you, please do not wrap your head in foil like a baked potato.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]

somenameforme 2y ago

There was a rather scathing study on it here. [1] In short the government's own internal investigations realized the obvious answer, a mass hysteria event, was the most likely culprit. But politics got involved and so then they classified reports mentioning this, and released reports suggestive of foreign adversaries attacking people with some mystery weapon, even though their own internal reports put the chances of that at basically zero. So they then set out so study and solve the issue, unsurprisingly finding nothing. The paper's concluding paraph is brutal: --- Over the course of their 6-year investigation into “Havana Syndrome” U.S. officials expended considerable human capital and financial resources going down a rabbit hole searching for exotic explanations. Instead of finding secret weapons and foreign conspiracies—they found only rabbits. For in the end, prosaic explanations were determined to be the cause of the events in Cuba and its subsequent global spread. That is the lesson of “Havana Syndrome”—follow the science. --- [1] - https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10913303/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10913303/

josefresco 2y ago
Then there was this: "Unraveling Havana Syndrome: New evidence links the GRU's assassination Unit 29155 to mysterious attacks on U.S. officials and their families" https://theins.ru/en/politics/270425 https://theins.ru/en/politics/270425
- somenameforme 2y ago
  Do you not realize when you're reading literal propaganda? This quote is but one section from there, which I clicked to because it had a silly heading - and it delivered. --- A consensus has formed among the growing community of AHI sufferers that the U.S. government — and the CIA in particular — is hiding the full extent of what it knows about the source of Havana Syndrome. The victims offer two general hypotheses as to why. The first is that releasing the full intelligence around Russian involvement might be so shocking as to convince the American people and their representatives that Moscow has committed an act of war against the United States, thereby raising thorny questions as to how a nuclear power fond of showing off its hypersonic missiles ought to be made to pay. --- Okay, so Russia is running around randomly attacking low level embassy workers, and the US knows this and is playing PR for Russia, because they're worried about US citizens viewing Russia negatively. I'm sure there's far more absurd mental gymnastics in there as well, as that was literally from the first section I clicked to. When we get out of this clown world era and back to something vaguely resembling normalcy, there's about a 100% chance that these "citizen investigative journalists" are mostly all going to end up having been little more than Operation Mockingbird 2.0. [1] [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
  - josefresco 2y ago
    Russia isn't "running around randomly". Their (alleged) actions are very targeted and deliberate. "attacking low level embassy workers" Do you think really they'd pick the US president as their first target on an experimental (or even proven) weapon? And I wouldn't call embassy employees "random" in any context. >US knows this and is playing PR for Russia, because they're worried about US citizens viewing Russia negatively As a student of history, there are hundreds of reasons and prior examples of governments hiding the true capabilities of nations they consider enemies or adversaries. This allows them time to investigate and create a defense, it also appease the public becuase telling everyone "hey everyone watch out our advisory has this super top secret weapon to which we have no defense!" is not a great idea. The idea that the US would "play PR for Russia" is absurd.