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Without a package manager, I really can't see myself using this. Cygwin + apt-cyg is just easy.

by bhousel 14y ago

bostonvaulter2 14y ago
Oh, this is the first time I'm hearing of apt-cyg. It looks really useful.
scribblemacher 14y ago
+100 for introducing me to apt-cyg!
cowmix 14y ago
Holy crap. apt-cyg.. where have you been for the past 13 years!
strictfp 14y ago
Can we go together and convince the stubborn Cygwin-devs to PLEASE integrate this into mainline? I've tried a couple of times to convince them that we need something like apt-cyg, and lots of people keep trying, but they just won't budge. See the discussion here: http://groups.google.com/group/apt-cyg-discuss/browse_thread/thread/aba973fd559cdfd http://groups.google.com/group/apt-cyg-discuss/browse_thread...
- lloeki 14y ago
  Like 10 years ago, I was poking them at the idea of having some command line support for package installation instead of having to go through the brittle setup.exe to install/update packages... You can make an educated guess at the answer to anything related to non-retarded package management.
- deleted 14y ago
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dredmorbius 14y ago
OMG I love you. I haet haet haet haet haet the f^cking cygwin "Setup.exe". The cygwin devs are being absolutely butt-retarded for failing to integrate this.
- jackolas 14y ago
  "butt-retarded"
  - cgf 14y ago
    I'm one of the cygwin developers. Please feel free to discuss the inclusion of a new package in the cygwin mailing list. If there is an active maintainer for the package and the package works as advertised, then it is possible that it would be voted in. It would be inordinately useful if you could refrain from name calling during any discussion. http://cygwin.com/lists.html http://cygwin.com/lists.html
    - jackolas 14y ago
      http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww350/KyosukeKiryu/Pokemon/pokemon2.png http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww350/KyosukeKiryu/Pokemo...
- antidoh 14y ago
  The cygwin devs are to be thanked. If cygwin wasn't as useful as it is, no one would care about apg-cyg and similar. That said, I'm not capable of fixing or adding anything into cygwin, so I never ask them for anything.
  - dredmorbius 14y ago
    Cygwin is a great tool. I've used it for 15 years. Its installer has always been ... lacking. The example of non-broken installers, in the form of RPM (from Red Hat, with which Cygwin is now associated), or APT (from Debian, even non-broken than RPM) has been around since, oh, 1994 or so (apt really came into its own a few years later, but since 1997/98 it's been a pretty amazing tool). The development of apt-cyg has already been done. A key element of managing any project is to be responsive to constructive criticism, and accepting of outside ideas. Especially excellent, long-desired, well-constructed ideas instantiated in code. I'm taking statements here at face value, but if the response of the Cygwin team has been "thanks, but no, your 'good' isn't our 'perfect'", then they're 1) being butt-retarded and 2) reiterating one of the classic blunders. Fortunately I don't particularly care, as I've made pretty clear in this thread, my need and use of Cygwin is pretty minimal these days, though on the very rare occasions I find called on to use it, yes, I appreciate it. Raising devs beyond criticism, BTW, is yet another classic blunder. It's one the GNOME team have been perpetrating for over a decade now -- tech-savvy users aren't it's "target userbase", and non-tech users are, by definition, "unqualified to comment on code". So they've derived by circular logic that those qualified to comment cannot comment relevantly, and those who can comment relevantly aren't qualified to comment. The project's malaise over the past few years has hardly been a surprise to me. I'm not saying Cygwin are falling quite so hard into precisely the same trap, but they're clearly making an error here, as are you in dismissing criticism.
iuguy 14y ago
Crap. I get introduced to apt-cyg a month after switching to a mac. I'll definitely pass the link on though!

Without a package manager, I really can't see myself using this. Cygwin + apt-cyg is just easy.

by bhousel 14y ago

Without a package manager, I really can't see myself using this. Cygwin + apt-cyg is just easy.

bostonvaulter2 14y ago

Oh, this is the first time I'm hearing of apt-cyg. It looks really useful.

scribblemacher 14y ago

+100 for introducing me to apt-cyg!

cowmix 14y ago

Holy crap. apt-cyg.. where have you been for the past 13 years!

strictfp 14y ago

Can we go together and convince the stubborn Cygwin-devs to PLEASE integrate this into mainline? I've tried a couple of times to convince them that we need something like apt-cyg, and lots of people keep trying, but they just won't budge. See the discussion here: http://groups.google.com/group/apt-cyg-discuss/browse_thread/thread/aba973fd559cdfd http://groups.google.com/group/apt-cyg-discuss/browse_thread...

lloeki 14y ago
Like 10 years ago, I was poking them at the idea of having some command line support for package installation instead of having to go through the brittle setup.exe to install/update packages... You can make an educated guess at the answer to anything related to non-retarded package management.
deleted 14y ago
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dredmorbius 14y ago

OMG I love you. I haet haet haet haet haet the f^cking cygwin "Setup.exe". The cygwin devs are being absolutely butt-retarded for failing to integrate this.

jackolas 14y ago
"butt-retarded"
- cgf 14y ago
  I'm one of the cygwin developers. Please feel free to discuss the inclusion of a new package in the cygwin mailing list. If there is an active maintainer for the package and the package works as advertised, then it is possible that it would be voted in. It would be inordinately useful if you could refrain from name calling during any discussion. http://cygwin.com/lists.html http://cygwin.com/lists.html
  - jackolas 14y ago
    http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww350/KyosukeKiryu/Pokemon/pokemon2.png http://i734.photobucket.com/albums/ww350/KyosukeKiryu/Pokemo...
antidoh 14y ago
The cygwin devs are to be thanked. If cygwin wasn't as useful as it is, no one would care about apg-cyg and similar. That said, I'm not capable of fixing or adding anything into cygwin, so I never ask them for anything.
- dredmorbius 14y ago
  Cygwin is a great tool. I've used it for 15 years. Its installer has always been ... lacking. The example of non-broken installers, in the form of RPM (from Red Hat, with which Cygwin is now associated), or APT (from Debian, even non-broken than RPM) has been around since, oh, 1994 or so (apt really came into its own a few years later, but since 1997/98 it's been a pretty amazing tool). The development of apt-cyg has already been done. A key element of managing any project is to be responsive to constructive criticism, and accepting of outside ideas. Especially excellent, long-desired, well-constructed ideas instantiated in code. I'm taking statements here at face value, but if the response of the Cygwin team has been "thanks, but no, your 'good' isn't our 'perfect'", then they're 1) being butt-retarded and 2) reiterating one of the classic blunders. Fortunately I don't particularly care, as I've made pretty clear in this thread, my need and use of Cygwin is pretty minimal these days, though on the very rare occasions I find called on to use it, yes, I appreciate it. Raising devs beyond criticism, BTW, is yet another classic blunder. It's one the GNOME team have been perpetrating for over a decade now -- tech-savvy users aren't it's "target userbase", and non-tech users are, by definition, "unqualified to comment on code". So they've derived by circular logic that those qualified to comment cannot comment relevantly, and those who can comment relevantly aren't qualified to comment. The project's malaise over the past few years has hardly been a surprise to me. I'm not saying Cygwin are falling quite so hard into precisely the same trap, but they're clearly making an error here, as are you in dismissing criticism.

iuguy 14y ago

Crap. I get introduced to apt-cyg a month after switching to a mac. I'll definitely pass the link on though!