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Do you realize all of this can be done without a single drop of Microsoft software? You've rattled off a list of features - mostly related to mailboxes - that

by Alupis 2y ago

Do you realize all of this can be done without a single drop of Microsoft software? You've rattled off a list of features - mostly related to mailboxes - that do not require Microsoft software to accomplish. Alas, to some people, every problem appears like a Microsoft solution.

bongodongobob 2y ago
Yes I do. I would never want to try it though and transitioning to it would be an insanely complex project taking years. I would quit. The Microsoft world runs the vast majority of businesses with more than 20-50 people. MS world is tiny... You know what's tiny? The dev/startup world. MS is overwhelmingly dominant. Not even close. Your 12 person startup? Yeah, who cares, Linux/Mac all the way. Roll your own everything. Have a NAS that everyone has permissions to, sure, whatever. Backups? Copy it to another NAS every other week, ok. 1000 people who have been using Windows their entire life, half of which are over 50? Managing dozens of levels of permissions? Decades worth of backups? Go try managing fleets of computers, permissions, file shares, etc for users that require... Windows software. M365 and the MS platform is the shit. I've used Linux since the 90s. It's my daily driver at home. I was an anti M$ leet haxor. Then I joined the mature business world and saw what MS provides to businesses. The idea of gutting the entire infra "to save money from the bad M$" is greenhorn shit. I know because that was me 20 years ago. You can't just roll your own whatever cobbling together multiple 3rd party stuff and then somehow find people to support it for years to come. It is going to break and it's going to cost money. This site loves to talk about tech debt. I can't tell you how many systems I've had to migrate from some lone wolf admin that loves writing custom scripts glueing together multiple applications and processes, building a tower of shit which no one knows how it worked after he left so he could have job security. It's very common. MS admins are a dime a dozen. Easy to find. Reliably experienced. There's a ton of value in that alone. You will never save money migrating a large org that's already on MS away from it. Completely rediculous.
- Alupis 2y ago
  > Yes I do. I would never want to try it though and transitioning to it would be an insanely complex project taking years. I would quit. And there we have it. Some people drink so much Microsoft Kool-Aide and cannot possibly fathom ever using anything else but Microsoft software. Every possible problem looks like a Microsoft solution. If the solution isn't obvious, call the Microsoft Rep and find one! Then the predictable "what are you going to do, roll your own?!" remark... failing to realize there's more than just one SaaS company in the world. How do you wager all the big businesses around the world accomplish all of these things you mentioned? What about all the big businesses in Russia, China, India and more? Hint - they're not all using Microsoft products and Azure... Do you believe Microsoft is the only SaaS offering inboxes, storage, automation and more? Do you believe nothing else can use open protocols such as LDAP? Microsoft's moat is deep, but it's not necessary. Most people eventually figure this out for themselves.

by Alupis 2y ago

bongodongobob 2y ago

Yes I do. I would never want to try it though and transitioning to it would be an insanely complex project taking years. I would quit. The Microsoft world runs the vast majority of businesses with more than 20-50 people. MS world is tiny... You know what's tiny? The dev/startup world. MS is overwhelmingly dominant. Not even close. Your 12 person startup? Yeah, who cares, Linux/Mac all the way. Roll your own everything. Have a NAS that everyone has permissions to, sure, whatever. Backups? Copy it to another NAS every other week, ok. 1000 people who have been using Windows their entire life, half of which are over 50? Managing dozens of levels of permissions? Decades worth of backups? Go try managing fleets of computers, permissions, file shares, etc for users that require... Windows software. M365 and the MS platform is the shit. I've used Linux since the 90s. It's my daily driver at home. I was an anti M$ leet haxor. Then I joined the mature business world and saw what MS provides to businesses. The idea of gutting the entire infra "to save money from the bad M$" is greenhorn shit. I know because that was me 20 years ago. You can't just roll your own whatever cobbling together multiple 3rd party stuff and then somehow find people to support it for years to come. It is going to break and it's going to cost money. This site loves to talk about tech debt. I can't tell you how many systems I've had to migrate from some lone wolf admin that loves writing custom scripts glueing together multiple applications and processes, building a tower of shit which no one knows how it worked after he left so he could have job security. It's very common. MS admins are a dime a dozen. Easy to find. Reliably experienced. There's a ton of value in that alone. You will never save money migrating a large org that's already on MS away from it. Completely rediculous.

Alupis 2y ago
> Yes I do. I would never want to try it though and transitioning to it would be an insanely complex project taking years. I would quit. And there we have it. Some people drink so much Microsoft Kool-Aide and cannot possibly fathom ever using anything else but Microsoft software. Every possible problem looks like a Microsoft solution. If the solution isn't obvious, call the Microsoft Rep and find one! Then the predictable "what are you going to do, roll your own?!" remark... failing to realize there's more than just one SaaS company in the world. How do you wager all the big businesses around the world accomplish all of these things you mentioned? What about all the big businesses in Russia, China, India and more? Hint - they're not all using Microsoft products and Azure... Do you believe Microsoft is the only SaaS offering inboxes, storage, automation and more? Do you believe nothing else can use open protocols such as LDAP? Microsoft's moat is deep, but it's not necessary. Most people eventually figure this out for themselves.