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What are the emissions when we account for goods manufactured overseas? In 1990, much more of our manufactured goods were included in US emissions. Now most of

What are the emissions when we account for goods manufactured overseas? In 1990, much more of our manufactured goods were included in US emissions. Now most of our manufactured goods have their emissions in other countries.

insane_dreamer 2y ago
Really good point; that's why we have to look at global emissions; I just pointed to US ones as I couldn't find global ones more recent than 2021 (which are here: https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-energy-data-explorer https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/greenhous... The picture is bleak; globally we are rapidly approaching 2x 1990 levels
- cchance 2y ago
  Ya notice how energy has gone down, but industry based co2 production has doubled lol
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philipkglass 2y ago
The term for this is "consumption based emissions." You can find charts for it at Our World In Data. Here's the chart for the US along with an explanation of the methodology: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita?tab=chart&country=~USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit... The US is improving even after accounting for imports. Consumption-based emissions were 20.3 tons per capita in 1990 and peaked in 2005 at 22.7 tons per capita, declining to 14.9 tons per capita as of 2022. Of course present emissions per capita are not as low as if imports had no CO2 footprint.
- SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
  So, China and India are pretty nuts.
  - TaylorAlexander 2y ago
    Yeah. I believe the reason is rapid industrialization. As far as I’m aware that tends to be associated with high emissions. There is some hope that as African nations industrialize, they can use greener technology so we don’t see the same pattern repeat there. The population in Africa is nearly that of India and it’s growing rapidly.

insane_dreamer 2y ago

Really good point; that's why we have to look at global emissions; I just pointed to US ones as I couldn't find global ones more recent than 2021 (which are here: https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/greenhouse-gas-emissions-from-energy-data-explorer https://www.iea.org/data-and-statistics/data-tools/greenhous... The picture is bleak; globally we are rapidly approaching 2x 1990 levels

cchance 2y ago
Ya notice how energy has gone down, but industry based co2 production has doubled lol

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philipkglass 2y ago

The term for this is "consumption based emissions." You can find charts for it at Our World In Data. Here's the chart for the US along with an explanation of the methodology: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capita?tab=chart&country=~USA https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/consumption-co2-per-capit... The US is improving even after accounting for imports. Consumption-based emissions were 20.3 tons per capita in 1990 and peaked in 2005 at 22.7 tons per capita, declining to 14.9 tons per capita as of 2022. Of course present emissions per capita are not as low as if imports had no CO2 footprint.

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
So, China and India are pretty nuts.
- TaylorAlexander 2y ago
  Yeah. I believe the reason is rapid industrialization. As far as I’m aware that tends to be associated with high emissions. There is some hope that as African nations industrialize, they can use greener technology so we don’t see the same pattern repeat there. The population in Africa is nearly that of India and it’s growing rapidly.