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Sure, it is definitely very buggy, but the point is that it still exists and is useful to some extent. I was refuting the claim that there is no visual editor

Sure, it is definitely very buggy, but the point is that it still exists and is useful to some extent. I was refuting the claim that there is *no* visual editor, not the claim that the visual editor we do have is maybe deficient and buggy. Relatedly, I still think it is something of a shame that (Expression) Blend didn't survive to the modern era. A designer-focused XAML design tool that doesn't need a full Visual Studio install (nor the same sort of expensive VS license) and feels more like Firefly or Figma or whatever other designer-focused tool is current en vogue would be really handy in a lot of situations. I don't think it is the only reason that designers tend to prefer HTML (and thus we use Electron or similar to placate the designers that think that "just copy and paste it from the design tool" works "well") over XAML, but it certainly doesn't help that there isn't a "XAML Figma" and it's a shame on multiple levels that Microsoft recognized that threat early on, built a solution, then got confused why they built it, confusingly merged it into Visual Studio licenses and installs, which lead to its sadly inevitable death just a few years before it would have been very helpful to have to send to some designers and stop getting HTML-only mockups.

somenameforme 2y ago
To be clear I am saying that drag and drop operations do not work during runtime. The designer literally does not work at all, for WinUI 3, for reasons that are not at all clear, since Visual Studio had a 'native' designer for WinUI 2, as well as the weird disconnect with Blend as you mentioned. I almost feel like you're mixing up WinUI 2 and 3, because the designer was kind of borky for WinUI 2 but did work, and was overall an okayish experience. But for WinUI 3 it's an entirely different game. Early on the messaging was that the designer would be "coming soon" (tm) and that people could just use hot reload in the interim, then at some point hot reload ended up completely broken as well, Microsoft gradually started withdrawing engagement with the community, and here I am saying it's been defacto abandoned. The point of the designer is not just mock ups. At many (most?) small businesses and studios the developer/designer dichotomy doesn't exist. There's a reason lots of companies are still even using e.g. Winforms. A high functioning designer simply dramatically improves both productivity and quality.

Sure, it is definitely very buggy, but the point is that it still exists and is useful to some extent. I was refuting the claim that there is *no* visual editor

somenameforme 2y ago

To be clear I am saying that drag and drop operations do not work during runtime. The designer literally does not work at all, for WinUI 3, for reasons that are not at all clear, since Visual Studio had a 'native' designer for WinUI 2, as well as the weird disconnect with Blend as you mentioned. I almost feel like you're mixing up WinUI 2 and 3, because the designer was kind of borky for WinUI 2 but did work, and was overall an okayish experience. But for WinUI 3 it's an entirely different game. Early on the messaging was that the designer would be "coming soon" (tm) and that people could just use hot reload in the interim, then at some point hot reload ended up completely broken as well, Microsoft gradually started withdrawing engagement with the community, and here I am saying it's been defacto abandoned. The point of the designer is not just mock ups. At many (most?) small businesses and studios the developer/designer dichotomy doesn't exist. There's a reason lots of companies are still even using e.g. Winforms. A high functioning designer simply dramatically improves both productivity and quality.