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And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. > democracies fail Is this the democracy where we need to stop voters from voting or give th

And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. > democracies fail Is this the democracy where we need to stop voters from voting or give them incomplete information to avoid making bad choices?

MOARDONGZPLZ 2y ago
> And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. Very narrowly, and not but for the uncharacteristic acts of a small number of others like Mike Pence. It could have gone very differently very easily.
remus 2y ago
> And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. Trump would argue he didn't lose the election, and would still be in power if he had his way. I think we should be making it harder, not easier, for the democratic process to be subverted.
vundercind 2y ago
Yes. I wrote “attempted”.
riskable 2y ago
> And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. Only because his coup failed. That's a very important fact.
- citizen_friend 2y ago
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  - vundercind 2y ago
    Don’t remember the “find votes” request or attempts to find a legal-enough-to-muck-things-up way to replace real electors with fake ones, or similar to throw the election to the House to decide, then?
    - citizen_friend 2y ago
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      - vundercind 2y ago
        Those have been charged. He’s in court for a bunch of other stuff, too, some of which was brewing before 2017 but his DOJ ruled they had to pause (including investigations, because you need to e.g. issue subpoenas for those to do their work) until he was out of office, and nobody tried to fight that, so it’s just now finally happening.
      - ipython 2y ago
        I'm not sure what you're arguing here? If someone is accused of committing three crimes, but only one is "serious", then the person should only be prosecuted on the one, but not the other two? What is your view of the events that transpired?
  - frob 2y ago
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  - ipython 2y ago
    Which word do you take objection to? Considering he begins each rally with the January 6 "patriot" anthem, I stand by the "his" word. He clearly aligns with the folks who he considers "political prisoners" (his words not mine). As far as "coup" - I'd say summoning thousands of folks to the Capitol, then not calling for dispersal once they have physically breached the perimeter of the building where the Congress and Vice President are assembled to certify the election results (where he lost), plus (arguably, more importantly) engaging in a campaign to establish networks of alternative electors in key swing states that do not match the popular votes in those states, then I'd say "coup" (granted, with a "attempted" modifier would be more accurate) would be a reasonable word to use for the events that transpired.

MOARDONGZPLZ 2y ago

> And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. Very narrowly, and not but for the uncharacteristic acts of a small number of others like Mike Pence. It could have gone very differently very easily.

remus 2y ago

> And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. Trump would argue he didn't lose the election, and would still be in power if he had his way. I think we should be making it harder, not easier, for the democratic process to be subverted.

vundercind 2y ago

Yes. I wrote “attempted”.

riskable 2y ago

> And yet he left office on the appointed day and lost an election. Only because his coup failed. That's a very important fact.

citizen_friend 2y ago
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- vundercind 2y ago
  Don’t remember the “find votes” request or attempts to find a legal-enough-to-muck-things-up way to replace real electors with fake ones, or similar to throw the election to the House to decide, then?
  - citizen_friend 2y ago
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    - vundercind 2y ago
      Those have been charged. He’s in court for a bunch of other stuff, too, some of which was brewing before 2017 but his DOJ ruled they had to pause (including investigations, because you need to e.g. issue subpoenas for those to do their work) until he was out of office, and nobody tried to fight that, so it’s just now finally happening.
    - ipython 2y ago
      I'm not sure what you're arguing here? If someone is accused of committing three crimes, but only one is "serious", then the person should only be prosecuted on the one, but not the other two? What is your view of the events that transpired?
- frob 2y ago
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- ipython 2y ago
  Which word do you take objection to? Considering he begins each rally with the January 6 "patriot" anthem, I stand by the "his" word. He clearly aligns with the folks who he considers "political prisoners" (his words not mine). As far as "coup" - I'd say summoning thousands of folks to the Capitol, then not calling for dispersal once they have physically breached the perimeter of the building where the Congress and Vice President are assembled to certify the election results (where he lost), plus (arguably, more importantly) engaging in a campaign to establish networks of alternative electors in key swing states that do not match the popular votes in those states, then I'd say "coup" (granted, with a "attempted" modifier would be more accurate) would be a reasonable word to use for the events that transpired.