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I'll never apply to a non-remote software engineering job again, and I'm willing to retire or switch careers before I compromise on that. There is absolutely no

I'll never apply to a non-remote software engineering job again, and I'm willing to retire or switch careers before I compromise on that. There is absolutely no reason for the majority of software jobs to not be fully remote in 2024, and the quality of life allowed by the switch was transformative for me.

estomagordo 2y ago
> There is absolutely no reason for the majority of software jobs to not be fully remote in 2024 Except a lot of people enjoy coming into the office, of course.
- angoragoats 2y ago
  I’d maybe ask what “a lot” means, because I haven’t worked with too many people who enjoy it. But regardless, when I say a job should be fully remote, I just mean it should be able/permitted to be done 100% remotely. If someone wants to do that job from the office, that’s OK too.
  - estomagordo 2y ago
    You should according to... well, yourself. But for teams who are co-located and meet up in the office 1-2 days a week, your never being around physically might be a distraction. We're not all the same.
    - angoragoats 2y ago
      In your scenario, what is it about me not being physically present in person, that would constitute a distraction? Please cite sources/data for any claims you make. edit: Also, if the answer is that the company is just not prepared with the infrastructure & culture needed to support fully-remote developers, they are closing themselves off to approximately 40% of the available talent pool, not to mention a disproportionate number of minorities and women[0]. This should constitute an emergency that must be corrected immediately in the mind of any competent CTO or engineering leader. [0] https://www.techtarget.com/searchhrsoftware/news/365531979/Nearly-40-of-software-engineers-will-only-work-remotely https://www.techtarget.com/searchhrsoftware/news/365531979/N...
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      - estomagordo 2y ago
        Yeah pal I'm not gonna cite a source to tell you about my own experiences, lol. You fucking HN-parody.
        angoragoats 2y ago
        I apologize if asking for data hurts your feelings, and you’re obviously welcome to share your experiences as well (I did in a parent comment above). The reason I asked for sources is that there seem to be a lot of experiences/anecdotes on both sides of this issue, but so far I haven’t been able to find too much research that supports the idea that working in person is beneficial to overall productivity, or to the company culture, or to any other company-wide metric that would justify having a mandate that all employees must work in person. If that data exists I’d like to see it, so that I can decide whether it’s worth changing my own position on this issue.

estomagordo 2y ago

> There is absolutely no reason for the majority of software jobs to not be fully remote in 2024 Except a lot of people enjoy coming into the office, of course.

angoragoats 2y ago
I’d maybe ask what “a lot” means, because I haven’t worked with too many people who enjoy it. But regardless, when I say a job should be fully remote, I just mean it should be able/permitted to be done 100% remotely. If someone wants to do that job from the office, that’s OK too.
- estomagordo 2y ago
  You should according to... well, yourself. But for teams who are co-located and meet up in the office 1-2 days a week, your never being around physically might be a distraction. We're not all the same.
  - angoragoats 2y ago
    In your scenario, what is it about me not being physically present in person, that would constitute a distraction? Please cite sources/data for any claims you make. edit: Also, if the answer is that the company is just not prepared with the infrastructure & culture needed to support fully-remote developers, they are closing themselves off to approximately 40% of the available talent pool, not to mention a disproportionate number of minorities and women[0]. This should constitute an emergency that must be corrected immediately in the mind of any competent CTO or engineering leader. [0] https://www.techtarget.com/searchhrsoftware/news/365531979/Nearly-40-of-software-engineers-will-only-work-remotely https://www.techtarget.com/searchhrsoftware/news/365531979/N...
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    - estomagordo 2y ago
      Yeah pal I'm not gonna cite a source to tell you about my own experiences, lol. You fucking HN-parody.
      - angoragoats 2y ago
        I apologize if asking for data hurts your feelings, and you’re obviously welcome to share your experiences as well (I did in a parent comment above). The reason I asked for sources is that there seem to be a lot of experiences/anecdotes on both sides of this issue, but so far I haven’t been able to find too much research that supports the idea that working in person is beneficial to overall productivity, or to the company culture, or to any other company-wide metric that would justify having a mandate that all employees must work in person. If that data exists I’d like to see it, so that I can decide whether it’s worth changing my own position on this issue.