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> The only hope for American manufacturing is fully automated facilities but that isn’t happening quickly enough It's happening, but unions like the UAW oppose

> The only hope for American manufacturing is fully automated facilities but that isn’t happening quickly enough It's happening, but unions like the UAW oppose it [0][1]. There's a reason most battery factories have shifted to Red States like Georgia, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Indiana [2] at the expense of previously established Michigan and Ohio. > Germany et al were able to maintain a moat with their high quality goods but Asia has caught up Due to lack of innovation. [0] - https://www.axios.com/2023/09/15/uaw-worker-strike-electric-vehicle-industry https://www.axios.com/2023/09/15/uaw-worker-strike-electric-... [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/16/business/electric-vehicles-uaw-gm-ford-stellantis.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/16/business/electric-vehicle... [2] - https://www.edf.org/media/analysis-finds-us-electric-vehicle-battery-manufacturing-track-meet-demand https://www.edf.org/media/analysis-finds-us-electric-vehicle...

zamadatix 2y ago
I'm not sure that really sells the UAW one way or the other on it. The companies would probably like people to think the union wants so much it'd impede being able to switch to good thing™. The UAW would probably like people to think electric production can be done with better wages than companies want to push for without having a big impact on the output and just eating at evil management profits™. The 0th article more or less says that and gives that outright as the reason Tesla is ahead. GM is behind in electric vs Tesla for lots of reasons and that may be one meaningful one but it doesn't really support why it just asserts it should be so. If it were that direct and simple then the unionized brands in the US would be long gone by now. The 1st article does an even worse job summarizing the situation, leaving the description of what the UAW wants to the manufacturer management. The 2nd article actually has some good data but it seems to say things like Michigan still has the most production and lacks information like "GM caved and all of their plants are in the other states in that list". I'm not saying the UAW is great for electric production or the UAW is bad for it, I'm just saying none of those sources really backs what you set out to say with them in the first place.

zamadatix 2y ago

I'm not sure that really sells the UAW one way or the other on it. The companies would probably like people to think the union wants so much it'd impede being able to switch to good thing™. The UAW would probably like people to think electric production can be done with better wages than companies want to push for without having a big impact on the output and just eating at evil management profits™. The 0th article more or less says that and gives that outright as the reason Tesla is ahead. GM is behind in electric vs Tesla for lots of reasons and that may be one meaningful one but it doesn't really support why it just asserts it should be so. If it were that direct and simple then the unionized brands in the US would be long gone by now. The 1st article does an even worse job summarizing the situation, leaving the description of what the UAW wants to the manufacturer management. The 2nd article actually has some good data but it seems to say things like Michigan still has the most production and lacks information like "GM caved and all of their plants are in the other states in that list". I'm not saying the UAW is great for electric production or the UAW is bad for it, I'm just saying none of those sources really backs what you set out to say with them in the first place.