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ah just laying the foundation for a lovely despotic future.

by riffic 2y ago

IamLoading 2y ago
What is going on in our nation? its frustrating thing after thing. I honestly, need to unplug from news, and just focus on nature.
- saboot 2y ago
  Hurry up, not much time left for that either.
umvi 2y ago
Seems like the alternative is equally dystopian though. If ex-presidents don't have immunity for their actions in office, then every ex-president will have to fend off a flurry of lawsuits and prosecution attempts by the opposite party. It would be an absolute circus and turn the office of president into a joke.
- tines 2y ago
  That's a false dichotomy, just allow the motivation for official acts to be taken into consideration for prosecution, and a lot of the problems go away.
- beefnugs 2y ago
  Shouldn't there be some liability barrier to preventing just any bored old billionaire from fisting his way into presidency?
  - umvi 2y ago
    It's already not easy for billionaires to become president. Ross Perot tried and failed miserably.
    - thehappypm 2y ago
      Bloomberg too
- amalcon 2y ago
  They were widely understood to not have that immunity prior to either today or 2020, depending on how you track it. Somehow, that didn't happen.
  - thehappypm 2y ago
    Also, to reduce the hysteria of this, even if a president has immunity, committing an illegal act and using that immunity would still end up with a legal challenge and that would need to work its way through the courts. Would be a huge headache, and the Supreme Court could very obvious rule differently in a particular case, hinging on what is official and what is on official. I doubt the Supreme Court would look kindly on an assassination of arrival as a “official” act
- salawat 2y ago
  Fitzgerald gives them immunity from civil prosecutions. That was mentioned by Sotomayor. Fitzgerald explicitly does not provide the same immunity from criminal prosecutions; specifically because the protections for a defendant and burden of proof are so much greater than a mere civil case.

ah just laying the foundation for a lovely despotic future.

by riffic 2y ago

ah just laying the foundation for a lovely despotic future.

What is going on in our nation? its frustrating thing after thing. I honestly, need to unplug from news, and just focus on nature.

saboot 2y ago
Hurry up, not much time left for that either.

umvi 2y ago

Seems like the alternative is equally dystopian though. If ex-presidents don't have immunity for their actions in office, then every ex-president will have to fend off a flurry of lawsuits and prosecution attempts by the opposite party. It would be an absolute circus and turn the office of president into a joke.

tines 2y ago
That's a false dichotomy, just allow the motivation for official acts to be taken into consideration for prosecution, and a lot of the problems go away.
beefnugs 2y ago
Shouldn't there be some liability barrier to preventing just any bored old billionaire from fisting his way into presidency?
- umvi 2y ago
  It's already not easy for billionaires to become president. Ross Perot tried and failed miserably.
  - thehappypm 2y ago
    Bloomberg too
amalcon 2y ago
They were widely understood to not have that immunity prior to either today or 2020, depending on how you track it. Somehow, that didn't happen.
- thehappypm 2y ago
  Also, to reduce the hysteria of this, even if a president has immunity, committing an illegal act and using that immunity would still end up with a legal challenge and that would need to work its way through the courts. Would be a huge headache, and the Supreme Court could very obvious rule differently in a particular case, hinging on what is official and what is on official. I doubt the Supreme Court would look kindly on an assassination of arrival as a “official” act
salawat 2y ago
Fitzgerald gives them immunity from civil prosecutions. That was mentioned by Sotomayor. Fitzgerald explicitly does not provide the same immunity from criminal prosecutions; specifically because the protections for a defendant and burden of proof are so much greater than a mere civil case.