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> it is all just neurons activating and making your muscles move. > ...and subjective awareness.

by carapace 2y ago

skirmish 2y ago
The AI also claims subjective awareness when you chat with its avatar in the Minecraft world. Now what?
- carapace 2y ago
  If I write "I am alive" on a piece of paper does that make it a living being? If I carve Aleph on the brow of the Golum does it become a man? How big does the pile of switches have to be before it changes from "what" to "who"? Look the point I'm making is that before one can speak meaningfully of uploading consciousness into the Internet one has to specify one's metaphysics. I have my own beliefs, and I'd love to yammer on about them if asked (fair warning!) but that's beside the point. Without figuring out what "you" is it's meaningless to talk about "you" living in "the Internet".
  - skirmish 2y ago
    Seems that nobody will ever satisfy your metaphysical expectations. I am content with the old-fashioned Turing test: if my interlocutor can communicate reasonably intelligently, I am happy to treat him/her/it as an intelligent being.
    - carapace 2y ago
      > Seems that nobody will ever satisfy your metaphysical expectations. How am I the asshole here? OP was like "I'm going to go live in the Internet" and I'm pointing out that's a fantasy. What's your beef? Are you afraid I'm going to discriminate against toasters? > if my interlocutor can communicate reasonably intelligently, I am happy to treat him/her/it as an intelligent being. Well if you're talking to a machine and treating it like a person you're an idiot in my view, but don't let that bother you, eh?
      - skirmish 2y ago
        Wow, it seems I was not able to satisfy your sky high metaphysical expectations either. Swearing does not make you right, good day!
        carapace 2y ago
        > Wow, it seems I was not able to satisfy your sky high metaphysical expectations either. You didn't even try. Your argument, if it can be called that, seems to amount to "what if metaphysics doesn't matter?" which is lazy and pointless. Essentially you're just saying "nah uh" without actually presenting any sort of evidence or deep thought. Good day indeed.

> it is all just neurons activating and making your muscles move. > ...and subjective awareness.

skirmish 2y ago

The AI also claims subjective awareness when you chat with its avatar in the Minecraft world. Now what?

carapace 2y ago
If I write "I am alive" on a piece of paper does that make it a living being? If I carve Aleph on the brow of the Golum does it become a man? How big does the pile of switches have to be before it changes from "what" to "who"? Look the point I'm making is that before one can speak meaningfully of uploading consciousness into the Internet one has to specify one's metaphysics. I have my own beliefs, and I'd love to yammer on about them if asked (fair warning!) but that's beside the point. Without figuring out what "you" is it's meaningless to talk about "you" living in "the Internet".
- skirmish 2y ago
  Seems that nobody will ever satisfy your metaphysical expectations. I am content with the old-fashioned Turing test: if my interlocutor can communicate reasonably intelligently, I am happy to treat him/her/it as an intelligent being.
  - carapace 2y ago
    > Seems that nobody will ever satisfy your metaphysical expectations. How am I the asshole here? OP was like "I'm going to go live in the Internet" and I'm pointing out that's a fantasy. What's your beef? Are you afraid I'm going to discriminate against toasters? > if my interlocutor can communicate reasonably intelligently, I am happy to treat him/her/it as an intelligent being. Well if you're talking to a machine and treating it like a person you're an idiot in my view, but don't let that bother you, eh?
    - skirmish 2y ago
      Wow, it seems I was not able to satisfy your sky high metaphysical expectations either. Swearing does not make you right, good day!
      - carapace 2y ago
        > Wow, it seems I was not able to satisfy your sky high metaphysical expectations either. You didn't even try. Your argument, if it can be called that, seems to amount to "what if metaphysics doesn't matter?" which is lazy and pointless. Essentially you're just saying "nah uh" without actually presenting any sort of evidence or deep thought. Good day indeed.