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Rather, in the US, politics is mostly based on keeping yourself elected, and political ideologies are pretty much lip service. In reality, both sides all just

Rather, in the US, politics is mostly based on keeping yourself elected, and political ideologies are pretty much lip service. In reality, both sides all just serve at the pleasure of the elite. What I love about Trump (despite never having a desire to votefor him) is he makes no attempt to hide that, often times going so far as to rub the political class' noses in it.

lallysingh 2y ago
Yes, this. Ideologies follow demographics of likely voters, that's it. They're the worm on the hook, not the objective.
maxwell 2y ago
Not at all—more lucrative to say what people want to hear, raise a bunch of money, and lose, than it is to get in office and need to violate your campaign promises to appease the donors with steering influence. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/s-happens-candidates-leftover-money-rcna57340 https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/s-ha...
netsharc 2y ago
> he makes no attempt to hide that Does he not? His speeches promise a "great America again!" to the conned masses, when the reality it's "Put me back into power so I can stay out of jail, and grift, for another 4 years at least.". It would be interesting if one could put an actual "what I actually want" translator next to Trump like in this sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkAK9QRe4ds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkAK9QRe4ds .. not that the conned masses would hear it and get a "Wow! He's a conman!" moment; they've projected onto him their hopes, dreams, and the idea that he will be the one to avenge their angers. (BTW In Obama's post-presidential book he lamented about the same thing in 2008, that his voters were placing their hopes of all sorts of change on him, and that his campaign/supporters were inadvertendly creating cult-of-personality around him.)
- autoexec 2y ago
  > In Obama's post-presidential book he lamented about the same thing in 2008, that his voters were placing their hopes of all sorts of change on him I wonder why they did that. It's almost like he built his entire campaign on the promise that electing him would bring hope/change.
  - techostritch 2y ago
    I get it’s threading the needle and people en masse aren’t going to understand nuance, but I don’t think his point was that electing him would bring hope/change, I think it was a call for America to remember it can change. I don’t think “I have faith we can change but don’t put your faith in me” has the same ring to it as a campaign slogan.

lallysingh 2y ago

Yes, this. Ideologies follow demographics of likely voters, that's it. They're the worm on the hook, not the objective.

maxwell 2y ago

Not at all—more lucrative to say what people want to hear, raise a bunch of money, and lose, than it is to get in office and need to violate your campaign promises to appease the donors with steering influence. https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/s-happens-candidates-leftover-money-rcna57340 https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/meetthepressblog/s-ha...

netsharc 2y ago

> he makes no attempt to hide that Does he not? His speeches promise a "great America again!" to the conned masses, when the reality it's "Put me back into power so I can stay out of jail, and grift, for another 4 years at least.". It would be interesting if one could put an actual "what I actually want" translator next to Trump like in this sketch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkAK9QRe4ds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkAK9QRe4ds .. not that the conned masses would hear it and get a "Wow! He's a conman!" moment; they've projected onto him their hopes, dreams, and the idea that he will be the one to avenge their angers. (BTW In Obama's post-presidential book he lamented about the same thing in 2008, that his voters were placing their hopes of all sorts of change on him, and that his campaign/supporters were inadvertendly creating cult-of-personality around him.)

autoexec 2y ago
> In Obama's post-presidential book he lamented about the same thing in 2008, that his voters were placing their hopes of all sorts of change on him I wonder why they did that. It's almost like he built his entire campaign on the promise that electing him would bring hope/change.
- techostritch 2y ago
  I get it’s threading the needle and people en masse aren’t going to understand nuance, but I don’t think his point was that electing him would bring hope/change, I think it was a call for America to remember it can change. I don’t think “I have faith we can change but don’t put your faith in me” has the same ring to it as a campaign slogan.