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You have clearly misunderstood the concept. It's not reality denial in that case, it's a call to try things. Just sitting around all doom and gloom will create

by boxed 2y ago

You have clearly misunderstood the concept. It's not reality denial in that case, it's a call to try things. Just sitting around all doom and gloom will create exactly zero new science and technology. You have to try shit, even if the odds are bad.

lapcat 2y ago
> You have clearly misunderstood the concept. "clearly" > It's not reality denial in that case, it's a call to try things. But he didn't just say "try things, even if the odds are bad". That would be unremarkable, though also bad advice in general, like a lottery winner telling everyone to buy lottery tickets. I feel that you're in denial of the reality of what he said, which explicitly mentions being right or wrong, not just trying things. I would say that it's better to know the truth in any case, whether the truth happens to be pleasant or unpleasant.
- boxed 2y ago
  He started a car company when everyone said it was impossible. He started a rocket company when everyone said it was super hard. He made that rocket company land the first stages, when everyone thought it was impossible. He's an ass, but you can't argue with the results. Twisting some of his words out of context might feel good because you can bash on the outgroup, but it also makes you look silly and makes your group (MY GROUP!) look bad. Please stop.
  - lapcat 2y ago
    > He's an ass, but you can't argue with the results. I wasn't. None of your reply is even relevant to mine. I'm just opposed to the idea pushed by the "positivity cult" that one's personal attitude is more important than the truth, and it's better to be wrong than right if wrongness comes with optimism. I actually suspect that Musk is not consistent in his stated views, and he doesn't allow his subordinate engineers to be consistently wrong but overly optimistic. At least I hope not. You seem to want to talk about his accomplishments. But wouldn't that make him optimistic and right? The tweet, on the other hand, is talking about being optimistic and wrong. You have clearly misunderstood the concept... Perhaps you're under the misapprehension that what he does outside of social media justifies the stuff he says on social media? That isn't true. Incidentally, "everyone said"/"everyone thought" is almost always an exaggeration/falsehood.
    - boxed 2y ago
      > I actually suspect that Musk is not consistent in his stated views, and he doesn't allow his subordinate engineers to be consistently wrong but overly optimistic. At least I hope not. Yea, context is everything. You should watch the interview he did with Everyday Astronaut where the interviewer made him redesign Starship with a question. There are tons of good lessons and self reflection in there.

by boxed 2y ago

lapcat 2y ago

> You have clearly misunderstood the concept. "clearly" > It's not reality denial in that case, it's a call to try things. But he didn't just say "try things, even if the odds are bad". That would be unremarkable, though also bad advice in general, like a lottery winner telling everyone to buy lottery tickets. I feel that you're in denial of the reality of what he said, which explicitly mentions being right or wrong, not just trying things. I would say that it's better to know the truth in any case, whether the truth happens to be pleasant or unpleasant.

boxed 2y ago
He started a car company when everyone said it was impossible. He started a rocket company when everyone said it was super hard. He made that rocket company land the first stages, when everyone thought it was impossible. He's an ass, but you can't argue with the results. Twisting some of his words out of context might feel good because you can bash on the outgroup, but it also makes you look silly and makes your group (MY GROUP!) look bad. Please stop.
- lapcat 2y ago
  > He's an ass, but you can't argue with the results. I wasn't. None of your reply is even relevant to mine. I'm just opposed to the idea pushed by the "positivity cult" that one's personal attitude is more important than the truth, and it's better to be wrong than right if wrongness comes with optimism. I actually suspect that Musk is not consistent in his stated views, and he doesn't allow his subordinate engineers to be consistently wrong but overly optimistic. At least I hope not. You seem to want to talk about his accomplishments. But wouldn't that make him optimistic and right? The tweet, on the other hand, is talking about being optimistic and wrong. You have clearly misunderstood the concept... Perhaps you're under the misapprehension that what he does outside of social media justifies the stuff he says on social media? That isn't true. Incidentally, "everyone said"/"everyone thought" is almost always an exaggeration/falsehood.
  - boxed 2y ago
    > I actually suspect that Musk is not consistent in his stated views, and he doesn't allow his subordinate engineers to be consistently wrong but overly optimistic. At least I hope not. Yea, context is everything. You should watch the interview he did with Everyday Astronaut where the interviewer made him redesign Starship with a question. There are tons of good lessons and self reflection in there.