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Pakistani court sentences man to death for social media post
- jalapenos 2y ago[flagged]
- sourcecodeplz 2y agoDamn, why get into this in the first place anyway? Seems like looking for trouble. I feel sorry for the guy but still, respect the beliefs of the people you are living with.
- going_north 2y agoThis kind of thinking is very dangerous.
- bilbo0s 2y agoAll kinds of thinking are dangerous. If you want a lack of thought danger, I'm afraid you'd need a world filled with people who don't think at all. Consider, your kind of thinking is dangerous... to someone. (Probably millions of someones.) So is my kind of thinking. So is everyone else' kind of thinking.
- mysterydip 2y agoWouldn't that result in zero change? We'd still have segregation or slavery, no women voting, etc.
- bilbo0s 2y agoMeh, even with change, in the future, we may still have segregation, or slavery, or no women voting. (Most probably, all three.) Change, simply "is". It's not "good" or "bad" in and of itself. We shouldn't be using it as the basis of an argument for or against some particular thing. We should, instead, argue the specific merits of that particular thing. Killing people for thought crime is "bad", in my opinion, because the person may not have intended to commit any crime. He might have said, "John should not have torn pages from the quran." And at the same time had no intention of an angry mob descending on John's home to burn John and his family to death. But for a lot of crimes, in the legal codes of many places, it's not necessary to prove "intent".
- pavel_lishin 2y ago[flagged]
- pipes 2y agoYou mean because he belongs to a minority group he should respect the majority belief? Does this always hold true, no matter what the majority believes? Does a death sentence for disrespecting seem like a fair punishment?
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoLet's talk "should" and "is". Should: Society should respect those with different beliefs. Religions should spread by converting their opponents, not by killing them. Is: He lives in a country that executes people for blasphemy. Regardless of any "shoulds", that is the reality of the country he lives in. There's a place for saying, on the one hand, that his country shouldn't be like that, and on the other hand, that there's a place for being wise about the environment you live in.
- lucianbr 2y agoIs this supposed to be an argument why he "should" have kept his keyboard shut? Because it does not seem coherent.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoAll right, let me try saying this in a different way. Morally, Pakistan is wrong here. Pakistan should change. Practically, you live in the environment (including social and political) you live in, and you usually can't change it much except at the margins. If you act like you live in a different environment, that usually bites you in one way or another. Consider a different situation. Let's say I walk through a bad part of town with $100 bills visibly hanging out of my pocket. I get mugged. The muggers are morally (and legally) wrong for mugging me. But in a world where muggers exist in the bad part of town, that wasn't very smart of me. Most people only talk about one aspect of this and ignore the other. They focus on the moral "should" (Pakistan should allow freedom of thought, muggers should stop attacking people), or else they focus on the practical wisdom (don't post stuff that's going to get you in trouble, don't walk down the street with visible money on you). Both are simultaneously true. Pakistan is morally wrong. They should change. And if you live there, things currently are the way they are, and if you ignore that, you will run into problems.
- th0masfrancis 2y agoSeems like majority opinion is against your post OP. Guess it is your turn to go to court
- mangamadaiyan 2y agoBelief doesn't merit respect, action does. If certain beliefs result in the believers thereof taking action that is unfair to (a set of) humans - whether that be slavery, witch trials, demolition of places of worship, pogroms, aerial bombardment of a hospital, or what have you - those beliefs do not deserve respect.
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- WhyNotHugo 2y agoI can't help worry about the power that social media has in such societies. All it takes is one fake [and convincing] social media post saying "Pete ripped out pages of the Quran and spat on them", and an angry mob will show up at Pete's neighbourhood ready to burn his house and family. I'd worry less if we didn't have precedents of Facebook inciting genocide.
- tgv 2y agoOnly Pete? https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-facebooks-systems-promoted-violence-against-rohingya-meta-owes-reparations-new-report/ https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/09/myanmar-faceb...
- ryzvonusef 2y agoI'm from Pakistan, and Blasphemy law is a genie no one can put back in the lamp. A few days back, a man was who went for tourism to a hill station was burnt alive by a mob[1], for purported blasphemy. Now we are getting evidence of how he was actually a very observant muslim[2], but it's of no consolation for his burnt corpse or his family. Nothing matters, if someone is pissed at you, they can unleash a mob at you and nothing the law or police can do in front of a violent mob fired up (literally) by religious fervour. I have a conspiracy, that our economy is so utterly shit that our govt uses such lynchings as a release valve. Hey, inflation biting you? Go kill someone and set them on fire, let that pent up stress out. In any case, I pray for an escape from this place daily. Terrible economy was bad enough, blasphemy lottery is just the gilding on top. ---- [1]: I will not link anything, but if you are morbidly curious, by all means search for "Swat Blasphemy" on twitter and click the media tab. [2]: https://x.com/Arshadyousafzay/status/1806717907486789805 https://x.com/Arshadyousafzay/status/1806717907486789805
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 2y agoThanks for sharing. Be well.
- wtmt 2y ago> I have a conspiracy, that our economy is so utterly shit that our govt uses such lynchings as a release valve. Hey, inflation biting you? Go kill someone and set them on fire, let that pent up stress out. It’s not a conspiracy theory. Governments around the world spend money, effort and time to distract people from real issues. One of the easiest ways is to show them “those extremely bad people out there” and start or incite clashes and wars. When there’s another enemy that’s created to be worse for our social values or morals, it’s easy to unite people against that and keep them busy with something else.
- cubefox 2y agoI disagree, it's a conspiracy. There is evidence from the past where the Pakistani government tried to fight Islamic radicalism, but the mob was stronger and even threatened to kill government officials. (I have another conspiracy theory: People who try to blame it on the government try to do so because they want to make the people, or Islam, seem less bad.)
- htoi43242344234 2y ago[flagged]
- lelandfe 2y ago> Ehsan Shan, though not party to the desecration, was accused of reposting the defaced pages of the Quran on his TikTok account, his lawyer Khurram Shahzad told The Associated Press Monday This guy just shared a video of people engaging in a hate crime. Reminds me of China banning sad videos of the elderly, or videos of the poor. Remember, the internet is for cat videos, not feeling sad. Hope this guy is able to escape this verdict.
- gwervc 2y ago> This guy just shared a video of people engaging in a hate crime. [...] China [...] Marine Le Pen was charged in France for promoting jihadism when she shared a picture of a beheading or some other gorry crime to denounce daesh.
- croisillon 2y agoMarine Le Pen very much needs jihadism for people to vote for her
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- tivert 2y ago>> Marine Le Pen was charged in France for promoting jihadism when she shared a picture of a beheading or some other gorry crime to denounce daesh. > Marine Le Pen very much needs jihadism for people to vote for her Are you claiming she's actually promoting jihadism by opposing it?
- ignoramous 2y agoIn lieu of threat inflation (Jews control the West, Muslims want a Caliphate in Europe, etc), radicalization runs amok.
- croisillon 2y agono, i'm claiming she's promoting herself by promoting jihadism
- rayiner 2y agoPakistan is a borderline failed state. A few decades ago, GDP per capita was roughly the same in Pakistan, India, and Bangladesh. Now, India and Bangladesh have 60% higher per capita GDP. But Biden (or should I saw Blinken, who I guess is the one actually running U.S. foreign policy) continues to prop up the military regime in Pakistan, which tolerates radical Islam and creates a security risk for the entire region. That includes reportedly pressuring the military to get rid of Imran Khan, the first decent leader Pakistan has had in a generation: https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/us-pakistan-ukraine-khan-vote-rcna99220 https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/us-pakistan-ukra...
- christkv 2y agoEven better a failed nuclear state
- imglorp 2y agoIf looking at some weird US foreign policy, it's probably wise to ask who are all the players and what are their motivations. There's usually some deals going on somewhere. So why is the US supporting this regime?
- rayiner 2y agoIt's the same ideological shit it's been for decades. India/Bangladesh aligned themselves with Russia, so the U.S. supported Pakistan. Imran Kahn was seen as being too friendly to Russia, so he got ousted.
- ignoramous 2y ago> Pakistan is a borderline failed state Unlike Iran, they got nuclear weapons, though. > military regime in Pakistan, which tolerates radical Islam I can see why one would think that if one readily believes every piece of Islamophobic news/analysis, even when Rawalpindi is routinely subject to attacks by extremists of garden variety.
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- kshahkshah 2y agoAmerica has helped prop up Pakistan and actively interferes with its politics.
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- dang 2y agoPlease don't post religious flamewar comments to HN. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. I realize others are doing it too, but you did it repeatedly in this thread. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- rayiner 2y ago
- 31337Logic 2y agoReligion of peace.