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I think his complaint is not that he has to pay money per se, but having to pay several thousand dollars. That's a bit much for an independent developer.

by hsn915 2y ago

Lariscus 2y ago
I have little sympathy for that kind of argument, imagine a carpenter complaining that they have to buy wood and nails. Besides, a Qt license for small businesses is nowhere near thousands of dollars. Only in software development do we expect quality tools to be given to us free of charge with no strings attached.
- daemin 2y ago
  Qt for Application Development Professional (ADP) is 3460 €/Year. If you're making something which you sell for $50 or so you'd need 100 sales per year to just pay for the development environment. That also assumes that it took you less than a year to make said product.
  - Lariscus 2y ago
    'Qt for Application Development Enterprise - Small Business (ADE-SB)' is $499.
    - daemin 2y ago
      You're right. I didn't see the Small Business tab when I was quickly looking through it. Still ends up being a blocker when you're not sure how many copies of the product you'll sell.
      - Lariscus 2y ago
        I guess that is just one of the many risks you have to take if your trying to build a business. A couple of hundred dollars in licensing fees are not going to sink your product. For a side project that you don't expect to make any money it might be too much, but in that case you could just as well open source the project.
        pantulis 2y ago
        > but in that case you could just as well open source the project. Which doesn't necessarily mean you cannot get paid for it.
        CSSer 2y ago
        It's also worth considering that the value of this license is very likely not a net loss even if your initial product doesn't work out.
- hsn915 2y ago
  Your take is very weird. He's shopping around. When something is out of his budget it's natural to not buy.
- dvngnt_ 2y ago
  wood makes sense to pay for. wood doesn't grow on trees. software works a bit differently though it should also be paid for
daemin 2y ago
It's especially hard when the application you're building isn't yet proven. As there's no guarantee that it will get any sales, let alone enough to cover the Commercial Qt expenses.
- jnhzubh 2y ago
  You do not have to pay before your first sale. And $500 is laughable small compared to developer salary. If it saves you half a day of work, you are covered
  - hermitdev 2y ago
    There is a huge gulf between saving a half a day of work versus _having_ $500 to spend on a tool that would save you that half day of work.

I think his complaint is not that he has to pay money per se, but having to pay several thousand dollars. That's a bit much for an independent developer.

by hsn915 2y ago

I think his complaint is not that he has to pay money per se, but having to pay several thousand dollars. That's a bit much for an independent developer.

Lariscus 2y ago

I have little sympathy for that kind of argument, imagine a carpenter complaining that they have to buy wood and nails. Besides, a Qt license for small businesses is nowhere near thousands of dollars. Only in software development do we expect quality tools to be given to us free of charge with no strings attached.

daemin 2y ago
Qt for Application Development Professional (ADP) is 3460 €/Year. If you're making something which you sell for $50 or so you'd need 100 sales per year to just pay for the development environment. That also assumes that it took you less than a year to make said product.
- Lariscus 2y ago
  'Qt for Application Development Enterprise - Small Business (ADE-SB)' is $499.
  - daemin 2y ago
    You're right. I didn't see the Small Business tab when I was quickly looking through it. Still ends up being a blocker when you're not sure how many copies of the product you'll sell.
    - Lariscus 2y ago
      I guess that is just one of the many risks you have to take if your trying to build a business. A couple of hundred dollars in licensing fees are not going to sink your product. For a side project that you don't expect to make any money it might be too much, but in that case you could just as well open source the project.
      - pantulis 2y ago
        > but in that case you could just as well open source the project. Which doesn't necessarily mean you cannot get paid for it.
      - CSSer 2y ago
        It's also worth considering that the value of this license is very likely not a net loss even if your initial product doesn't work out.
hsn915 2y ago
Your take is very weird. He's shopping around. When something is out of his budget it's natural to not buy.
dvngnt_ 2y ago
wood makes sense to pay for. wood doesn't grow on trees. software works a bit differently though it should also be paid for

daemin 2y ago

It's especially hard when the application you're building isn't yet proven. As there's no guarantee that it will get any sales, let alone enough to cover the Commercial Qt expenses.

jnhzubh 2y ago
You do not have to pay before your first sale. And $500 is laughable small compared to developer salary. If it saves you half a day of work, you are covered
- hermitdev 2y ago
  There is a huge gulf between saving a half a day of work versus _having_ $500 to spend on a tool that would save you that half day of work.