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I disagree with this. I feel you can be honest but not straightforward. You manipulate the audience by not telling the whole truth or twisting the emotions arou

I disagree with this. I feel you can be honest but not straightforward. You manipulate the audience by not telling the whole truth or twisting the emotions around the truth in a manipulative way. To me this is equivalent to if not more dishonest then lying to someone's face as doing this kind of manipulation allows you to get away with a technicality that you "didn't lie" when in fact the intent was exactly the same: To deceive. The god awful truth is that most people just want money.

shiroiushi 2y ago
Not just money. Many of us just want a job that pays pretty well, doesn't require too much overtime, doesn't stress us out too much, isn't too far from home, and has some decent coworkers to work with. Why so many companies can't just offer this and get some dependable, competent employees and be happy with that, I'm not sure, but I know it has something to do with the mentalities of people who become founders or high-up managers.
s1artibartfast 2y ago
I disagree on both counts. I didn't mean to imply anything about lying or misleading. Similarly, I don't think it is manipulation to consider your audience and what they are trying to ask. The best coworkers I've had were honest and straightforward, but could understand and emphasize with their audience too. I think everyone who takes this question literally at face value is missing the second half of that. I think most people want a nearly endless list of things, of which money is just one of the most important. For example, most people won't be happy with if you give them money but treat them like shit and over work them with frustrating tasks.
__loam 2y ago
The harder truth is that it's rare to find the perfect job, and rare to find the perfect candidate. There's an assumption with many of the views in this thread that the employment market is more efficient than it is at matching people.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  I dont think the assumption is perfection. I think the assumption is that a decent candidate should be able to come up with at least one thing they like about a company or look forward to when given a completely blank slate to work with.
  - __loam 2y ago
    I’ll start caring when you tell me I’m getting an offer.

shiroiushi 2y ago

Not just money. Many of us just want a job that pays pretty well, doesn't require too much overtime, doesn't stress us out too much, isn't too far from home, and has some decent coworkers to work with. Why so many companies can't just offer this and get some dependable, competent employees and be happy with that, I'm not sure, but I know it has something to do with the mentalities of people who become founders or high-up managers.

s1artibartfast 2y ago

I disagree on both counts. I didn't mean to imply anything about lying or misleading. Similarly, I don't think it is manipulation to consider your audience and what they are trying to ask. The best coworkers I've had were honest and straightforward, but could understand and emphasize with their audience too. I think everyone who takes this question literally at face value is missing the second half of that. I think most people want a nearly endless list of things, of which money is just one of the most important. For example, most people won't be happy with if you give them money but treat them like shit and over work them with frustrating tasks.

__loam 2y ago

The harder truth is that it's rare to find the perfect job, and rare to find the perfect candidate. There's an assumption with many of the views in this thread that the employment market is more efficient than it is at matching people.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
I dont think the assumption is perfection. I think the assumption is that a decent candidate should be able to come up with at least one thing they like about a company or look forward to when given a completely blank slate to work with.
- __loam 2y ago
  I’ll start caring when you tell me I’m getting an offer.