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Playing desktop style AAA games in the form factor of a smartphone just sucks, its awkward and clunky, unless you have a handheld cradle or controller mount.

kibwen 2y ago
Let's face it, doing basically anything in the form factor of a smartphone just sucks. For "consumption" devices they're absolutely terrible UX even for consumption, with literally their only selling point being that they're portable and fit in your pocket. A disheartening technological regression.
- gjsman-1000 2y ago
  I don’t believe this. Most people really like apps, and there’s a reason why people revolve around their phones far more than their laptops now. Also, they have plenty of other selling points - like their camera, or calling other people, obviously. Some things, like photography or phone calls, are great. Some are so-so, like web browsing. And some, like AAA Gaming, are not suited well at all. But on the inverse, calling people or taking photos on the desktop is not a well-suited setup either.
  - bitwize 2y ago
    The "no wireless, less space than a Nomad, lame"/"why do I need Dropbox when I can just rsync?" crowd hate smartphones, but normies love them.
    - gjsman-1000 2y ago
      A mandatory, and painful reminder, that people deeply vested into technology are equally likely, and perhaps even more likely [1], to be delusional compared to the general population. [1] People who have exaggerated confidence in their own intelligence, and thus implicit superiority, are often their own worst enemies.
  - nemomarx 2y ago
    I mean calling people on a desktop or laptop isnt' great, but at the same time I do it there way more often than a phone - Discord calls with friends, Teams meetings for work, etc.
- NoPicklez 2y ago
  I disagree, there's plenty of things I think a small form factor excels at. Do I enjoy using Word on my phone to write a document? No. Do I enjoy writing texts and messages on my phone? Yes. Would I get my laptop out to write a text message or make a call all the time? No. The fact it's portable and can fit in your pocket, is the exact point and I can navigate the entire device with two thumbs.
  - fastball 2y ago
    I'm not entirely sure you disagreed. It sounds like mostly what you value is indeed the portability ("I don't want to get my laptop out"). But the actual experience of writing a text on your laptop is better (at least for me). If I ever need to write a long message or many messages, I do get my laptop out because the hassle of that is outweighed by how much faster I can type on a computer than on my phone.
    - kurthr 2y ago
      The key point is that, if you were already at the laptop and could message (iMessage, Discord,Slack), would you switch to a phone to tap out the text with your thumbs or keep typing on the keyboard. We all know the answer. The only advantage of mobile devices is their size, mobility, and convenience. For actual winning (development, drawing, design, modeling) you want a larger screen and better UI.
      - smittywerben 2y ago
        It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive but perhaps with the current options for mobile devices on the market, they are. To this day, I still miss the Blackberry keyboard. And while I'm on this triggering topic, I also miss QNX, a real-time operating system that won't prioritize Candy Crush over a 911 call. Don't get me started about the removable batteries. I'm about to have another graveyard of Apple chargers in my drawer when I replace my last Lightning devices with USB-C. And in 2008 you didn't need a surgical lab clean room to replace your phone's battery. I could throw my blackberry against a concrete floor like I'm goddamn Billy Mays and the battery pops right out. Now it's a glass sheet with a yearly battery subscription. Even the self-hosted Blackberry messenger is now NSA-hosted iMessage. They won't let a private company have that much power again. Oh well, at least it's simpler now on the surface. Edit: To top this off, here are some references and further reading. [1] Android apps jamming up 911 functions, "Android phones have a bug that stops them calling the police, Google warns (2021)" https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/google-android-microsoft-teams-bug-police-911-b1972885.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/google-android-microsoft-... [2] Blackberry lasts 3 days per charge of normal usage, "BlackBerry Bold 9780: Not So Bold (2011)" https://www.anandtech.com/show/4228/blackberry-bold-9780-not-so-bold/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/4228/blackberry-bold-9780-not... [3] The surgical room to replace batteries, "Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery (2022)" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-service-iphone-repair-kit-hands-on https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... [4] The government suing itself to stop Blackberry's injunction because they all used Blackberry phones, "Fed Agencies Side With BlackBerry (2006)" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4672844.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4672844.stm [5] Related: Today's HN discussion on bugs in QNX. Comments mention Blackberry's acquisition and why they use Android now, "The weirdest QNX bug I've encountered (2021)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40837411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40837411
- dcow 2y ago
  Not a regression. Don’t be hyperbolic. I say that with love.
- deleted 2y ago
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- 39896880 2y ago
  David Lynch agrees. https://youtu.be/wKiIroiCvZ0?si=TCMRYUW-k6ayfIHl https://youtu.be/wKiIroiCvZ0?si=TCMRYUW-k6ayfIHl
- thiht 2y ago
  > Let's face it, doing basically anything in the form factor of a smartphone just sucks That’s just your opinion, and I’m pretty sure tens of millions of people disagree with it. There are tons of things that I prefer doing on my smartphone compared to my laptop or TV.
  - raspyberr 2y ago
    You'd prefer to watch videos on a smaller screen? You'd prefer to listen to audio on tiny tinny speakers? You'd prefer to type with two thumbs rather than 10 fingers? You'd prefer to multitask on a screen that can only show one program? You'd prefer to play games just two thumbs that cover the screen you're looking at? You'd prefer to have an incosistent internet connection as opposed to ethernet? You know none of those are true. Like it's been mentioned already the strengths lie in portability. GPS and Camera. Those things are inherently linked to being able to carry something small around. And even then for specific cases dedicated GPS devices and dedicated cameras are used.
    - thiht 2y ago
      You’re completely ignoring tradeoffs though. What matters most to me in some situations is flexibility. Like, I prefer watching movies on my phone than on my laptop because the keyboard bothers me. I prefer watching on my TV, but if it’s used by my girlfriend, my phone screen is completely fine. I prefer to listen to audio with headphones so the phone factor is irrelevant. For chatting I actually prefer typing on my phone, but not for coding or writing long texts. Maybe you don’t leverage swipe-to-type or vocal messages enough. I don’t multitask on my phone, it’s not made for that. I don’t think play games on my phone, it’s not made for that. I always use WiFi even on my laptop, and it’s not "inconsistent". Check your WiFi. You underestimate the value of portability and versatility. Portability can give you more comfort. Something "good and portable" can be better that "better and not portable" depending on the situation and state of mind. Tradeoffs.
    - NoPicklez 2y ago
      Right, but in that case you'd prefer to watch movies on a bigger screen in the cinema with big surround sound speakers. But that doesn't mean your lounge room sucks to watch movies in. The fact that I can watch movies in my own living room whenever I want in the comfort of my own home is the trade off.
IgorPartola 2y ago
They just keep picking the wrong games. Fallout 1 and 2 would be perfect on a phone/tablet. Civilization style games do really well also. Heroes of Might and Magic is basically designed for mobile first. The XCom game I played at one point was really good. It did well to capture the feel of the original games. Anything turn based with a mostly mouse/cursor driven input is a decent experience. The issue is that publishers keep pushing action games where lack of physical controls ruins the experience. Also any game where sound is important will be a poor experience since you can’t always play with sound on. Lastly, for casual but high quality games there just aren’t enough portrait mode games out there. And like for no good reason: Out There is an excellent game with a ton of replay value but you can’t play portrait so it just doesn’t work super well for me.
- zihotki 2y ago
  I fully agree that the strategy games are the best candidates for that. It's a pity that those games are losing popularity to casual games. Strategy games are more complex and require more time and effort.

kibwen 2y ago

Let's face it, doing basically anything in the form factor of a smartphone just sucks. For "consumption" devices they're absolutely terrible UX even for consumption, with literally their only selling point being that they're portable and fit in your pocket. A disheartening technological regression.

gjsman-1000 2y ago
I don’t believe this. Most people really like apps, and there’s a reason why people revolve around their phones far more than their laptops now. Also, they have plenty of other selling points - like their camera, or calling other people, obviously. Some things, like photography or phone calls, are great. Some are so-so, like web browsing. And some, like AAA Gaming, are not suited well at all. But on the inverse, calling people or taking photos on the desktop is not a well-suited setup either.
- bitwize 2y ago
  The "no wireless, less space than a Nomad, lame"/"why do I need Dropbox when I can just rsync?" crowd hate smartphones, but normies love them.
  - gjsman-1000 2y ago
    A mandatory, and painful reminder, that people deeply vested into technology are equally likely, and perhaps even more likely [1], to be delusional compared to the general population. [1] People who have exaggerated confidence in their own intelligence, and thus implicit superiority, are often their own worst enemies.
- nemomarx 2y ago
  I mean calling people on a desktop or laptop isnt' great, but at the same time I do it there way more often than a phone - Discord calls with friends, Teams meetings for work, etc.
NoPicklez 2y ago
I disagree, there's plenty of things I think a small form factor excels at. Do I enjoy using Word on my phone to write a document? No. Do I enjoy writing texts and messages on my phone? Yes. Would I get my laptop out to write a text message or make a call all the time? No. The fact it's portable and can fit in your pocket, is the exact point and I can navigate the entire device with two thumbs.
- fastball 2y ago
  I'm not entirely sure you disagreed. It sounds like mostly what you value is indeed the portability ("I don't want to get my laptop out"). But the actual experience of writing a text on your laptop is better (at least for me). If I ever need to write a long message or many messages, I do get my laptop out because the hassle of that is outweighed by how much faster I can type on a computer than on my phone.
  - kurthr 2y ago
    The key point is that, if you were already at the laptop and could message (iMessage, Discord,Slack), would you switch to a phone to tap out the text with your thumbs or keep typing on the keyboard. We all know the answer. The only advantage of mobile devices is their size, mobility, and convenience. For actual winning (development, drawing, design, modeling) you want a larger screen and better UI.
    - smittywerben 2y ago
      It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive but perhaps with the current options for mobile devices on the market, they are. To this day, I still miss the Blackberry keyboard. And while I'm on this triggering topic, I also miss QNX, a real-time operating system that won't prioritize Candy Crush over a 911 call. Don't get me started about the removable batteries. I'm about to have another graveyard of Apple chargers in my drawer when I replace my last Lightning devices with USB-C. And in 2008 you didn't need a surgical lab clean room to replace your phone's battery. I could throw my blackberry against a concrete floor like I'm goddamn Billy Mays and the battery pops right out. Now it's a glass sheet with a yearly battery subscription. Even the self-hosted Blackberry messenger is now NSA-hosted iMessage. They won't let a private company have that much power again. Oh well, at least it's simpler now on the surface. Edit: To top this off, here are some references and further reading. [1] Android apps jamming up 911 functions, "Android phones have a bug that stops them calling the police, Google warns (2021)" https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/google-android-microsoft-teams-bug-police-911-b1972885.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/google-android-microsoft-... [2] Blackberry lasts 3 days per charge of normal usage, "BlackBerry Bold 9780: Not So Bold (2011)" https://www.anandtech.com/show/4228/blackberry-bold-9780-not-so-bold/5 https://www.anandtech.com/show/4228/blackberry-bold-9780-not... [3] The surgical room to replace batteries, "Apple shipped me a 79-pound iPhone repair kit to fix a 1.1-ounce battery (2022)" https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-service-iphone-repair-kit-hands-on https://www.theverge.com/2022/5/21/23079058/apple-self-servi... [4] The government suing itself to stop Blackberry's injunction because they all used Blackberry phones, "Fed Agencies Side With BlackBerry (2006)" http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4672844.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/4672844.stm [5] Related: Today's HN discussion on bugs in QNX. Comments mention Blackberry's acquisition and why they use Android now, "The weirdest QNX bug I've encountered (2021)" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40837411 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40837411
dcow 2y ago
Not a regression. Don’t be hyperbolic. I say that with love.
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39896880 2y ago
David Lynch agrees. https://youtu.be/wKiIroiCvZ0?si=TCMRYUW-k6ayfIHl https://youtu.be/wKiIroiCvZ0?si=TCMRYUW-k6ayfIHl
thiht 2y ago
> Let's face it, doing basically anything in the form factor of a smartphone just sucks That’s just your opinion, and I’m pretty sure tens of millions of people disagree with it. There are tons of things that I prefer doing on my smartphone compared to my laptop or TV.
- raspyberr 2y ago
  You'd prefer to watch videos on a smaller screen? You'd prefer to listen to audio on tiny tinny speakers? You'd prefer to type with two thumbs rather than 10 fingers? You'd prefer to multitask on a screen that can only show one program? You'd prefer to play games just two thumbs that cover the screen you're looking at? You'd prefer to have an incosistent internet connection as opposed to ethernet? You know none of those are true. Like it's been mentioned already the strengths lie in portability. GPS and Camera. Those things are inherently linked to being able to carry something small around. And even then for specific cases dedicated GPS devices and dedicated cameras are used.
  - thiht 2y ago
    You’re completely ignoring tradeoffs though. What matters most to me in some situations is flexibility. Like, I prefer watching movies on my phone than on my laptop because the keyboard bothers me. I prefer watching on my TV, but if it’s used by my girlfriend, my phone screen is completely fine. I prefer to listen to audio with headphones so the phone factor is irrelevant. For chatting I actually prefer typing on my phone, but not for coding or writing long texts. Maybe you don’t leverage swipe-to-type or vocal messages enough. I don’t multitask on my phone, it’s not made for that. I don’t think play games on my phone, it’s not made for that. I always use WiFi even on my laptop, and it’s not "inconsistent". Check your WiFi. You underestimate the value of portability and versatility. Portability can give you more comfort. Something "good and portable" can be better that "better and not portable" depending on the situation and state of mind. Tradeoffs.
  - NoPicklez 2y ago
    Right, but in that case you'd prefer to watch movies on a bigger screen in the cinema with big surround sound speakers. But that doesn't mean your lounge room sucks to watch movies in. The fact that I can watch movies in my own living room whenever I want in the comfort of my own home is the trade off.

IgorPartola 2y ago

They just keep picking the wrong games. Fallout 1 and 2 would be perfect on a phone/tablet. Civilization style games do really well also. Heroes of Might and Magic is basically designed for mobile first. The XCom game I played at one point was really good. It did well to capture the feel of the original games. Anything turn based with a mostly mouse/cursor driven input is a decent experience. The issue is that publishers keep pushing action games where lack of physical controls ruins the experience. Also any game where sound is important will be a poor experience since you can’t always play with sound on. Lastly, for casual but high quality games there just aren’t enough portrait mode games out there. And like for no good reason: Out There is an excellent game with a ton of replay value but you can’t play portrait so it just doesn’t work super well for me.

zihotki 2y ago
I fully agree that the strategy games are the best candidates for that. It's a pity that those games are losing popularity to casual games. Strategy games are more complex and require more time and effort.