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If you discount the conspiracy theories, the normal reason for these types of deals is the DOJ does not feel confident they would actually win their case. The

by ars 2y ago

If you discount the conspiracy theories, the normal reason for these types of deals is the DOJ does not feel confident they would actually win their case. The deal essentially measures how likely each party feels that they can win.

icelancer 2y ago
Yeah, this is the most likely answer. The conspiracy theories are just-so and appeal to emotion, possibly even somewhat true, but it's far more likely the DOJ has very low confidence in their case and that Boeing's excuses/answers are basically legitimate (subcontractor + airline negligence accounts for many of the serious problems). I'd love for it to go to trial for discovery to benefit the American public, but just doesn't seem like enough of a reason to do it.
- cottsak 2y ago
  This highlights a greater point -- This deathtrap bureaucracy is so entangled with government departments that you really have no practical hope of fighting it or keeping it accountable. It might as well be considered part of the US government now. If we adjusted our perspective like this, it makes more sense why you can't "have justice". The ego of the US military complex is so massive, there's not telling it that it's wrong.
worik 2y ago
> DOJ does not feel confident they would actually win their case Sort of. Another possibility is limited budgets incentivise settling
- pas 2y ago
  Likely the problem is that Boeing can point to the FAA approved 'no need for new type certification for pilots' defense, which probably has some documentation about how whatever the fuck MCAS was doing is supposedly covered by the "runaway stabilizer" procedure. http://www.b737.org.uk/runawaystab.htm http://www.b737.org.uk/runawaystab.htm (Of course it would be up to the prosecution to argue that the actual problem that MCAS produced was completelybrand-fucking-new, and thus both the FAA and Boeing should go and suck redundant bags of AoA sensors.)

by ars 2y ago

icelancer 2y ago

Yeah, this is the most likely answer. The conspiracy theories are just-so and appeal to emotion, possibly even somewhat true, but it's far more likely the DOJ has very low confidence in their case and that Boeing's excuses/answers are basically legitimate (subcontractor + airline negligence accounts for many of the serious problems). I'd love for it to go to trial for discovery to benefit the American public, but just doesn't seem like enough of a reason to do it.

cottsak 2y ago
This highlights a greater point -- This deathtrap bureaucracy is so entangled with government departments that you really have no practical hope of fighting it or keeping it accountable. It might as well be considered part of the US government now. If we adjusted our perspective like this, it makes more sense why you can't "have justice". The ego of the US military complex is so massive, there's not telling it that it's wrong.

worik 2y ago

> DOJ does not feel confident they would actually win their case Sort of. Another possibility is limited budgets incentivise settling

pas 2y ago
Likely the problem is that Boeing can point to the FAA approved 'no need for new type certification for pilots' defense, which probably has some documentation about how whatever the fuck MCAS was doing is supposedly covered by the "runaway stabilizer" procedure. http://www.b737.org.uk/runawaystab.htm http://www.b737.org.uk/runawaystab.htm (Of course it would be up to the prosecution to argue that the actual problem that MCAS produced was completelybrand-fucking-new, and thus both the FAA and Boeing should go and suck redundant bags of AoA sensors.)