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> That was more than a century before we had the technology to determine that humans are genetically all the same. What a comically false thing to say.

rayiner 2y ago
Did we have the technology in the mid 1800s to understand that humans were all the same? Imagine you came from London to Virginia in 1700 and saw American Indians living as hunter gatherers. What empirical basis would you have to say they were the same as Europeans?
- samatman 2y ago
  The only humans who are "genetically all the same" are pairs of identical twins.
- wmorgan 2y ago
  In addition to what the other commenter said, the Indians in 1700 Virginia weren't hunter-gatherers. They had farms, money, laws, and government. To the extent that the colonizing English didn't think of them as "the same," well, they felt the same way about the Irish, who are also European.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    I mean, to the extent you can have “laws” and “government” without written language, maybe you could say that. The English, meanwhile, had steam engines, buildings nearly 500 feet tall, guns, cities with half a million people, street lighting, and indoor plumbing.
    - wmorgan 2y ago
      You can have those things without written language; they weren't hunter-gatherers. I don't know what building you're talking about, but as far as I know the Brits didn't have any building nearly that tall in 1700. The Brits didn't have a steam engine in 1700. The Brits recognized, in 1700, that the Indians were people just as much as themselves. This argument of yours projects onto the past an opinion that nobody actually held.
      - samatman 2y ago
        > as far as I know the Brits didn't have any building nearly that tall in 1700 I assume that reference was to Lincoln Cathedral, the tallest spire of which is indeed 520 feet tall. > This argument of yours projects onto the past an opinion that nobody actually held. Agreed.

rayiner 2y ago

Did we have the technology in the mid 1800s to understand that humans were all the same? Imagine you came from London to Virginia in 1700 and saw American Indians living as hunter gatherers. What empirical basis would you have to say they were the same as Europeans?

samatman 2y ago
The only humans who are "genetically all the same" are pairs of identical twins.
wmorgan 2y ago
In addition to what the other commenter said, the Indians in 1700 Virginia weren't hunter-gatherers. They had farms, money, laws, and government. To the extent that the colonizing English didn't think of them as "the same," well, they felt the same way about the Irish, who are also European.
- rayiner 2y ago
  I mean, to the extent you can have “laws” and “government” without written language, maybe you could say that. The English, meanwhile, had steam engines, buildings nearly 500 feet tall, guns, cities with half a million people, street lighting, and indoor plumbing.
  - wmorgan 2y ago
    You can have those things without written language; they weren't hunter-gatherers. I don't know what building you're talking about, but as far as I know the Brits didn't have any building nearly that tall in 1700. The Brits didn't have a steam engine in 1700. The Brits recognized, in 1700, that the Indians were people just as much as themselves. This argument of yours projects onto the past an opinion that nobody actually held.
    - samatman 2y ago
      > as far as I know the Brits didn't have any building nearly that tall in 1700 I assume that reference was to Lincoln Cathedral, the tallest spire of which is indeed 520 feet tall. > This argument of yours projects onto the past an opinion that nobody actually held. Agreed.