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The temples are places of worship for Hindu deities. If that’s not Hindu identity, what is? India is Hindu. Hinduism was a term coined later for Sanatana Dharm

The temples are places of worship for Hindu deities. If that’s not Hindu identity, what is? India is Hindu. Hinduism was a term coined later for Sanatana Dharma that was based on Vedism, the study and worship of Vedas. It included all forms of worship under one umbrella. It worked out well as a diverse society with one identity until monotheistic Abrahamic faiths and their adherents came as invaders and colonizers. For most of the rest of the world, a few hundred years ago is ancient history. For India, it goes back thousands of years. And that is the identity of India. Everything else is imported and new.

lukan 2y ago
So Buddhism is included in Hinduism in your perspective? Because I know many disagree to that. I also know it is not one of the "monotheistic Abrahamic faiths". And the muslims might have come as invaders, but the islamic faith is still present in india since over 1200 years. You might not like it, but most think that qualifies as being part of that land by now. Same im europe. Christian faith came mostly by the sword. It is still part of european culture now.
- jelliclesfarm 2y ago
  No. Buddhism is not Hinduism. Buddhists are not Hindus. Perhaps what you say is true. But Hinduism came from India and most of the world’s Hindus live in India. One would expect India will declare Hinduism as their official religion as they should. When a nation’s religious majority is unable to defend its rights, then it’s an invasion. It can be by the sword or by conversion. It’s still a displacement and replacement strategy. Indian Hindus are waking up to it. About time. There is no country in the world where Hinduism is the official religion. Even India where 79% of the population are Hindus. Nepal used to be the only Hindu nation in the world but that changed recently during the Maoist insurgency. Who knows. We will have to wait and see.
  - lukan 2y ago
    "One would expect India will declare Hinduism as their official religion as they should." Well, apparently Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Pagans and Atheists would strongly disagree. Secularism was invented for a reason.
    - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
      It’s not working in India. It’s not working there. We’ll see what happens. Why shouldn’t one billion Hindus have a Hindu nation? There is no country in the world that has Hinduism as official religion. Religious conversions and by extension, secularism is a form of colonization.
      - lukan 2y ago
        It is working in europe. Yes, there are people who want many european states to become officially christian again. But they are a minority and hopefully stay that. I am fine with small states choosing a official religion. People can then more easily choose to also get away. But not a big continent, or a country as big as whole india. Because that creates tension as many do not want their life dominated by a religion they do not believe in.
        jelliclesfarm 2y ago
        What do you mean ‘it’s working in Europe? The dominant and official state religion in Europe is mostly Christianity. [..]Europe Christianity (Eastern Orthodox) 1. Belarus 2. Bulgaria 3. Cyprus 4. Georgia 5. Greece 6. Moldova 7. Montenegro 8. North Macedonia 9. Russia 10. Serbia Christianity (Roman Catholicism) 1. Andorra 2. Austria 3. Belgium 4. Bosnia and Herzegovina (also Islam) 5. Croatia 6. Czech Republic 7. France 8. Hungary 9. Italy 10. Latvia 11. Lithuania 12. Luxembourg 13. Malta 14. Monaco 15. Poland 16. Portugal 17. Slovakia 18. Slovenia 19. Spain 20. Switzerland Christianity (Protestantism) 1. Denmark 2. Estonia 3. Finland 4. Germany 5. Iceland 6. Netherlands 7. Norway 8. Sweden 9. United Kingdom (Anglican) Mixed/Other 1. Albania (Islam and Christianity) 2. Kosovo (Islam and Christianity) [..]
wslh 2y ago
Clearly your use of Abrahamic faiths is not fair in this context when the root of Abrahamic faith is Judaism and it is also an old religion as Hinduism.
- jelliclesfarm 2y ago
  Hinduism is a new term. We follow Sanatana Dharma and our basis is Vedism. Judaism..as it is now.. wasn’t always monotheist. And it evolved over time. And not as old as Hinduism. Texts and inscriptions and temples from the Vedic period are much older. And that’s why there has been a systematic purge, revisionism, faulty translations and suppression of civilizational history. Hinduism..as it’s known now..is and was decentralized giving it the ability to survive and thrive millennia. While it can be called many names and has been co opted, our source text is common to all who call themselves Hindu and that is the Vedas…our religious text.
  - wslh 2y ago
    The context of my answer is that you cannot include Abrahamic religions in your comments without separating the root, which is Judaism, to your claim. You said: "It worked out well as a diverse society with one identity until monotheistic Abrahamic faiths and their adherents came as invaders and colonizers.".
    - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
      Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all ‘People of the Book’. Hindus scriptural texts are the Vedas. Abrahamic faiths are monotheistic and against idol worship. While not all Hindus worship idols and multiple gods, these practices are not blasphemy or apostasy. There is a binary criteria amongst Abrahamic religions about what constitutes membership.
      - wslh 2y ago
        Re: "Abrahamic faiths and their adherents came as invaders and colonizers".
jnaina 2y ago
Best to keep these sort of Hindutuva extremist rhetoric (or any other extremist rhetoric) out of HN.
- jelliclesfarm 2y ago
  Which part do you find ‘extremist’. Facts are not rhetoric.
  - lukan 2y ago
    Like the fact, that apart from Hinduism, there is no no non abrahamtic religion in India (ignoring Buddhism) and 1200 years do not count as long enough and the fact that you despise secularism as colonism, yet claim we in europe have mainly religious states, like you also want in india? I have to say, yes, I also do find that extremist.
    - NoRagrets 2y ago
      These are personal views. How can they be extremist? It affects none and has no power at all. Does me as a Hindu having an opinion about my faith offend you and strike you as extremist? Time is relative. Non abrahamic religions have always been a minority faith since millennia. I think it’s not right to say that I ‘despise secularism’. I am critiquing the poor state and expression of ‘secularism’ in India. Example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=India%20since%20its%20independence%20in,modern%20history%20of%20the%20country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=.... [..]The Indian Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act of 1937 continues to be the law of land of modern India for Indian Muslims, while parliament-based, non-religious uniform civil code passed in mid-1950s applies to Indians who are Hindus (which includes Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Parsees), as well as to Indian Christians and Jews.[..] Is this a secularism? All I am saying is that if Muslims are allowed to practice their religious laws, Hindus should also be allowed to hold their religious law as Personal law. The state cannot discriminate between two faiths and call itself secular. I want Muslims (and Christians and Buddhists and everyone)to have the freedom to practice their faith. I want the same for Hindus, Saying Hindus should have the same freedom and rights is causing me to face accusations of ‘extremism’. Strange.

lukan 2y ago

So Buddhism is included in Hinduism in your perspective? Because I know many disagree to that. I also know it is not one of the "monotheistic Abrahamic faiths". And the muslims might have come as invaders, but the islamic faith is still present in india since over 1200 years. You might not like it, but most think that qualifies as being part of that land by now. Same im europe. Christian faith came mostly by the sword. It is still part of european culture now.

jelliclesfarm 2y ago
No. Buddhism is not Hinduism. Buddhists are not Hindus. Perhaps what you say is true. But Hinduism came from India and most of the world’s Hindus live in India. One would expect India will declare Hinduism as their official religion as they should. When a nation’s religious majority is unable to defend its rights, then it’s an invasion. It can be by the sword or by conversion. It’s still a displacement and replacement strategy. Indian Hindus are waking up to it. About time. There is no country in the world where Hinduism is the official religion. Even India where 79% of the population are Hindus. Nepal used to be the only Hindu nation in the world but that changed recently during the Maoist insurgency. Who knows. We will have to wait and see.
- lukan 2y ago
  "One would expect India will declare Hinduism as their official religion as they should." Well, apparently Buddhists, Muslims, Christians, Pagans and Atheists would strongly disagree. Secularism was invented for a reason.
  - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
    It’s not working in India. It’s not working there. We’ll see what happens. Why shouldn’t one billion Hindus have a Hindu nation? There is no country in the world that has Hinduism as official religion. Religious conversions and by extension, secularism is a form of colonization.
    - lukan 2y ago
      It is working in europe. Yes, there are people who want many european states to become officially christian again. But they are a minority and hopefully stay that. I am fine with small states choosing a official religion. People can then more easily choose to also get away. But not a big continent, or a country as big as whole india. Because that creates tension as many do not want their life dominated by a religion they do not believe in.
      - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
        What do you mean ‘it’s working in Europe? The dominant and official state religion in Europe is mostly Christianity. [..]Europe Christianity (Eastern Orthodox) 1. Belarus 2. Bulgaria 3. Cyprus 4. Georgia 5. Greece 6. Moldova 7. Montenegro 8. North Macedonia 9. Russia 10. Serbia Christianity (Roman Catholicism) 1. Andorra 2. Austria 3. Belgium 4. Bosnia and Herzegovina (also Islam) 5. Croatia 6. Czech Republic 7. France 8. Hungary 9. Italy 10. Latvia 11. Lithuania 12. Luxembourg 13. Malta 14. Monaco 15. Poland 16. Portugal 17. Slovakia 18. Slovenia 19. Spain 20. Switzerland Christianity (Protestantism) 1. Denmark 2. Estonia 3. Finland 4. Germany 5. Iceland 6. Netherlands 7. Norway 8. Sweden 9. United Kingdom (Anglican) Mixed/Other 1. Albania (Islam and Christianity) 2. Kosovo (Islam and Christianity) [..]

wslh 2y ago

Clearly your use of Abrahamic faiths is not fair in this context when the root of Abrahamic faith is Judaism and it is also an old religion as Hinduism.

jelliclesfarm 2y ago
Hinduism is a new term. We follow Sanatana Dharma and our basis is Vedism. Judaism..as it is now.. wasn’t always monotheist. And it evolved over time. And not as old as Hinduism. Texts and inscriptions and temples from the Vedic period are much older. And that’s why there has been a systematic purge, revisionism, faulty translations and suppression of civilizational history. Hinduism..as it’s known now..is and was decentralized giving it the ability to survive and thrive millennia. While it can be called many names and has been co opted, our source text is common to all who call themselves Hindu and that is the Vedas…our religious text.
- wslh 2y ago
  The context of my answer is that you cannot include Abrahamic religions in your comments without separating the root, which is Judaism, to your claim. You said: "It worked out well as a diverse society with one identity until monotheistic Abrahamic faiths and their adherents came as invaders and colonizers.".
  - jelliclesfarm 2y ago
    Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all ‘People of the Book’. Hindus scriptural texts are the Vedas. Abrahamic faiths are monotheistic and against idol worship. While not all Hindus worship idols and multiple gods, these practices are not blasphemy or apostasy. There is a binary criteria amongst Abrahamic religions about what constitutes membership.
    - wslh 2y ago
      Re: "Abrahamic faiths and their adherents came as invaders and colonizers".

jnaina 2y ago

Best to keep these sort of Hindutuva extremist rhetoric (or any other extremist rhetoric) out of HN.

jelliclesfarm 2y ago
Which part do you find ‘extremist’. Facts are not rhetoric.
- lukan 2y ago
  Like the fact, that apart from Hinduism, there is no no non abrahamtic religion in India (ignoring Buddhism) and 1200 years do not count as long enough and the fact that you despise secularism as colonism, yet claim we in europe have mainly religious states, like you also want in india? I have to say, yes, I also do find that extremist.
  - NoRagrets 2y ago
    These are personal views. How can they be extremist? It affects none and has no power at all. Does me as a Hindu having an opinion about my faith offend you and strike you as extremist? Time is relative. Non abrahamic religions have always been a minority faith since millennia. I think it’s not right to say that I ‘despise secularism’. I am critiquing the poor state and expression of ‘secularism’ in India. Example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=India%20since%20its%20independence%20in,modern%20history%20of%20the%20country https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secularism_in_India#:~:text=.... [..]The Indian Muslim Personal Law (Shariat) Application Act of 1937 continues to be the law of land of modern India for Indian Muslims, while parliament-based, non-religious uniform civil code passed in mid-1950s applies to Indians who are Hindus (which includes Buddhists, Jains, Sikhs, Parsees), as well as to Indian Christians and Jews.[..] Is this a secularism? All I am saying is that if Muslims are allowed to practice their religious laws, Hindus should also be allowed to hold their religious law as Personal law. The state cannot discriminate between two faiths and call itself secular. I want Muslims (and Christians and Buddhists and everyone)to have the freedom to practice their faith. I want the same for Hindus, Saying Hindus should have the same freedom and rights is causing me to face accusations of ‘extremism’. Strange.