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Lots of other laptops has the same whitelist annoyance, and are harder to tinker with. Lenovo is still nearly the least cumbersome even with this. Sony laptops

Lots of other laptops has the same whitelist annoyance, and are harder to tinker with. Lenovo is still nearly the least cumbersome even with this. Sony laptops were the worst: Sony has elitist culture when it comes to miniaturization and engineering excellence, which manifests as unsolderable gapless tiny solder pads in case with PCBs. Fujitsu is better: they love to get creative with their own testing criteria that results in excessively hot laptops that relies on keyboard typing surfaces as heatsinks. Toshiba designers seem to be smart and rational people who understands that no one cares if they double sided everything. Dell is just thick and heavy while not particularly durable and occasionally being annoying with proprietary accessories. HP seem to have every hardware and software imported into their ERP and that can be annoying sometimes like having HP-only bugs. ThinkPads don't have that kinds of things. They note on Hardware Maintenance Manual(HMM) that all removed screws must be discarded and replaced with their beautiful urethane coated and thread locked screws, and they still haven't made value of ~220 as default for `/sys/devices/platform/i8042/serio1/serio2/sensitivity`, and that's it.

Rinzler89 2y ago
>Lots of other laptops has the same whitelist annoyance Which other brands?
- numpad0 2y ago
  Like all of it. It's a feature in BIOS, and commercial BIOS is sourced from Phoenix, AMI, Insyde, etc. It's like asking which car brand use Brembo disc brakes. It's up to designers and model dependent.
  - gsich 2y ago
    That wasn't the question. I only know of Lenovo Thinkpads doing this heinous act. They only do it there, on the cheap-ass notebooks they don't care.
    - numpad0 2y ago
      You've only heard on ThinkPad having it because it's most easily encountered problem. HP, Dell, ASUS, Fujitsu, Toshiba, VAIO, ... they all have it in some models and not on others. But Dell users don't swear by their Inspirons or maintain LatitudeWiki. White-box suppliers/resellers like Clevo or Walmart, or more recent entries like Microsoft, Huawei, Razer, Valve, etc might not have it across the lineup. Whitelist feature also invites people break root of trust; that might be an alternate concern for those brands too.
      - gsich 2y ago
        Which makes the argument that the FCC somehow requires this moot.

Rinzler89 2y ago

>Lots of other laptops has the same whitelist annoyance Which other brands?

numpad0 2y ago
Like all of it. It's a feature in BIOS, and commercial BIOS is sourced from Phoenix, AMI, Insyde, etc. It's like asking which car brand use Brembo disc brakes. It's up to designers and model dependent.
- gsich 2y ago
  That wasn't the question. I only know of Lenovo Thinkpads doing this heinous act. They only do it there, on the cheap-ass notebooks they don't care.
  - numpad0 2y ago
    You've only heard on ThinkPad having it because it's most easily encountered problem. HP, Dell, ASUS, Fujitsu, Toshiba, VAIO, ... they all have it in some models and not on others. But Dell users don't swear by their Inspirons or maintain LatitudeWiki. White-box suppliers/resellers like Clevo or Walmart, or more recent entries like Microsoft, Huawei, Razer, Valve, etc might not have it across the lineup. Whitelist feature also invites people break root of trust; that might be an alternate concern for those brands too.
    - gsich 2y ago
      Which makes the argument that the FCC somehow requires this moot.