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I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to never smoke cigars. I just think that it is fair to make the point that cigars are not necessarily entirely sa

I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to never smoke cigars. I just think that it is fair to make the point that cigars are not necessarily entirely safe, even if the relative risk for lung cancer is less than for cigarettes. I didn't even necessarily even make this point, as with my previous comment, I simply made two separate statements, and you came to a possibly implied conclusion yourself. Regardless of the safety of cigars, I fail to see the logic behind how the idea that the relative risk of wood smoke compared to cigar smoke is supposed to convince anyone that cigar smoke should seem safe, considering that wood fires are no longer commonly used to heat homes in the developed world. Indoor smoke from heating and cooking has been well-established as a carcinogenic risk, but people not using wood to heat nor using smoke-point inducing temperatures when cooking, do not regularly expose themselves to these risks. Also, I never claimed that alcohol did not increase carcinogenic risk. I make no position on that. However, given the proposition that alcohol is a carcinogen, then as cigars use is not mutually exclusive to alcohol use, and as smoking cigars incurs some carcinogenic risk, then for users of cigars and alcohol, cigar use would be an additive risk along with the risk incurred by alcohol use.

TimTheTinker 2y ago
> I fail to see the logic behind how the idea that the relative risk of wood smoke compared to cigar smoke is supposed to convince anyone that cigar smoke should seem safe It's not so much a logical argument as an emotional one (though it is a true statement). So much of the public opposition to tobacco is emotional, not logical. So that's where at least some of the discussion needs to happen. Sometimes the best way to put something in the proper perspective is to make a comparison to a more familiar thing. I grew up believing tobacco use was one of the worst possible sins against God, and that lighting wood in the fireplace was a relaxing, enjoyable thing to do. So at least for me, the argument was helpful to put things into perspective.

TimTheTinker 2y ago

> I fail to see the logic behind how the idea that the relative risk of wood smoke compared to cigar smoke is supposed to convince anyone that cigar smoke should seem safe It's not so much a logical argument as an emotional one (though it is a true statement). So much of the public opposition to tobacco is emotional, not logical. So that's where at least some of the discussion needs to happen. Sometimes the best way to put something in the proper perspective is to make a comparison to a more familiar thing. I grew up believing tobacco use was one of the worst possible sins against God, and that lighting wood in the fireplace was a relaxing, enjoyable thing to do. So at least for me, the argument was helpful to put things into perspective.