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Shades of Iranian centrifuges.

by e40 2y ago

dylan604 2y ago
Really really light shades. Destroying a country's ability to produce weapons grade nuclear fuel vs potentially burning down a hacker's/tinkerer's house; I don't think these are any where near the same level
- akira2501 2y ago
  It's very similar. It's a nation state using exploits to target individuals. It doesn't really matter why they're doing it, they're promulgating an unsafe environment, simply to create convenience for intelligence agencies. As if they're at a lack of options when it comes to addressing problems on the world stage like this. Stuxnet was both an exceptionally morally lazy and destructive act. As an American citizen, I genuinely wish my government did NOT do that.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    Stuxnet was written to target a very specific bit of equipment for a nefarious purpose. This is just lazy development with no security or as a total after thought or worse deliberate weakening. This is just the state of software development/management we live in now. I really feel one of us have misreading of the situation.
    - akira2501 2y ago
      > Stuxnet was written to target a very specific bit of equipment for a nefarious purpose Except it didn't do that. It was found in dozens of networks in multiple countries. The vulnerabilities were discovered by other actors and used for other purposes. The amount of collateral damage done here was far greater than the value of the initial operation. Importantly there were multiple different ways to achieve this particular outcome none of which required us to abuse vulnerabilities or release dangerous software to exploit them. > This is just the state of software development/management we live in now. Yes, and I think it's morally backwards, and I regret it. > I really feel one of us have misreading of the situation. I simply refuse to accept the intelligence agency marketing view of this action. It was incorrect. There were other less morally conflicted ways to solve this "problem."

Shades of Iranian centrifuges.

by e40 2y ago

Shades of Iranian centrifuges.

Really really light shades. Destroying a country's ability to produce weapons grade nuclear fuel vs potentially burning down a hacker's/tinkerer's house; I don't think these are any where near the same level

akira2501 2y ago
It's very similar. It's a nation state using exploits to target individuals. It doesn't really matter why they're doing it, they're promulgating an unsafe environment, simply to create convenience for intelligence agencies. As if they're at a lack of options when it comes to addressing problems on the world stage like this. Stuxnet was both an exceptionally morally lazy and destructive act. As an American citizen, I genuinely wish my government did NOT do that.
- dylan604 2y ago
  Stuxnet was written to target a very specific bit of equipment for a nefarious purpose. This is just lazy development with no security or as a total after thought or worse deliberate weakening. This is just the state of software development/management we live in now. I really feel one of us have misreading of the situation.
  - akira2501 2y ago
    > Stuxnet was written to target a very specific bit of equipment for a nefarious purpose Except it didn't do that. It was found in dozens of networks in multiple countries. The vulnerabilities were discovered by other actors and used for other purposes. The amount of collateral damage done here was far greater than the value of the initial operation. Importantly there were multiple different ways to achieve this particular outcome none of which required us to abuse vulnerabilities or release dangerous software to exploit them. > This is just the state of software development/management we live in now. Yes, and I think it's morally backwards, and I regret it. > I really feel one of us have misreading of the situation. I simply refuse to accept the intelligence agency marketing view of this action. It was incorrect. There were other less morally conflicted ways to solve this "problem."