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what would be a better way to design this that is cheap and updatable? Specialized hardware is riskier to build, b/c bugs would require a complete reprint.

by itake 2y ago

dmitrygr 2y ago
NOTHING in a bed needs to be updatable. Nothing. It needs a PIC12F509 to run a motor when you press a button and check for a jam.
- dylan604 2y ago
  but but but, we need to see all of that data about your sleeping patterns so we can adjust settings to make you even more comfy. are you getting too hot? we'll cool down the temp for you. getting too cold? we'll heat it up. starting to snore, we'll automatically incline you to change your positioning. of course we'll also sell all of that data so we can send you an ad for new bamboo sheets to keep you cool. or any thing else from anyone else that offers us money for the data
- itake 2y ago
  How do you ensure the network traffic is encrypted with a PIC12F509?
  - dmitrygr 2y ago
    Correct. Beds should have no network or traffic.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - itake 2y ago
      how do you analyze your sleeping quality and habits over time? a built in display? This reminds of the 2005: "phones shouldn't support texting. people should just call" vibes.
      - rangestransform 2y ago
        At most a BLE chip to send data to your phone in a way that doesn’t touch the internet
        freedomben 2y ago
        I despise the modern "smart" device and actively look for "dumb" things, but if it's going to have a BLE chip in it, it needs to be updateable to fix vulnerabilities. There are mountains of devices from earlier years that are basically wide open radios now because of this. Personally I'd much rather the damn thing just have a built-in display with hardware controls.
      - jtriangle 2y ago
        How do I analyze my sleep quality? I gauge how tired I am when I wake up... as man has done for eons.
      - danparsonson 2y ago
        We're not talking about different modes off communication, we're talking about adding communication to a "device" that doesn't need it.
      - bigstrat2003 2y ago
        Bro are you serious? Those aren't things the average person wants.
        trallnag 2y ago
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- fragmede 2y ago
  How does a PIC12F509 connect via bluetooth to talk to an app for the consumer to configure things? How does it connect to wifi to talk to a server to save data to? Like it or not, an app to configure the device instead of the device having a VCR remote control to program in schedules is what consumers have gotten used to these days. If you think there's room in the market for a sleep pad that doesn't talk to the cloud, you're welcome to try, but mass market consumers have come to expect more from products.
  - tjoff 2y ago
    No, manufacturers have come to expect monthly revenue on top of getting paid for the hardware.
  - FactKnower69 2y ago
    >Like it or not, an app to configure the device instead of the device having a VCR remote control to program in schedules is what consumers have gotten used to these days. No?? When was the last time you spoke to another human being about this topic? Has any other person in your life seriously told you that they like having to download a smartphone app to set up their soundbar? Have you managed to fully insulate yourself from the broader world with a circle of dead-eyed freaks that gleefully spend their free nights registering their appliances online and reading end-user license agreements?
    - archi42 2y ago
      I hate the app+cloud garbage as much as you, but have you considered how a VCR would be programmed today? Take your universal touchscreen device out of your pocket, select the VCR app, get a list of programms for the next weeks, touch the one you want to record (or do a full text search), select if you want to record this episode, all, or a certain set. In the past, you needed to first buy this weeks TV magazine. Or if you got it by mail, find it between all the other magazines. Then, skip all the ads and find the schedule, in there find the program you're looking for. Now you either need to figure out the exact time slot the program airs, or some EPG code. This data now needs to be entered into the VCR. Either find the remote, or knee in front of the device. Enter the code using a rotary encoder, digits 0-9 and a few buttons, or a mixture thereof. In both cases you need to set the receiver to the correct program before leaving the house, else the SCART-connected VCR wouldn't get the video signal. Also you'd need to hope the EPG sent by the station is updated properly - we often had some part of the recording missing, or the recording started to soon/stopped to late. I hope you did put in the correct tape and remembered to rewind it. (I'm ignoring that a modern "VCR" would store the video in the cloud and not need all of this; or a hybrid would at least get the video stream via IPTV and put it on a HDD). Try speaking to other humans about this topic, they don't want these "good old times" back. Also, apps suck because they are mostly always horribly made (they don't need be, but they often are, because the product needs to be cheap); and I hate being forced to use the cloud and have my hardware not work anymore after 5 years because someone decided their Amazon bill is becoming too expensive. Did I mention I don't want my data to be sold to virtually everyone - errr, I mean "shared with partners"? So I either buy things with local control, or no smarts at all.
thfuran 2y ago
Why would I want so much software in my bed that even makes sense to discuss updating it?
- Moldoteck 2y ago
  Smart temperature and softness adaptation for different regions? Sleep stats of your positions, maybe combined with some deep sleep stats? I mean, there are options
- itake 2y ago
  Updating the domain name the server talks to, updating the security system (like supporting new versions of TLS, updating certificates, etc). TBH, I wouldn't trust a custom hardware chip that can decrypt the traffic and have it last for the life of the product.
  - thfuran 2y ago
    I wouldn't trust a bed that sends traffic to a remote server.
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- miah_ 2y ago
  The old Sleep Number beds were not smart, they worked fine. I think people want to drown in useless data these days trying to "fix" their sleep when the reality is its their job or high stress causing sleep issues.

what would be a better way to design this that is cheap and updatable? Specialized hardware is riskier to build, b/c bugs would require a complete reprint.

by itake 2y ago

what would be a better way to design this that is cheap and updatable? Specialized hardware is riskier to build, b/c bugs would require a complete reprint.

dmitrygr 2y ago

NOTHING in a bed needs to be updatable. Nothing. It needs a PIC12F509 to run a motor when you press a button and check for a jam.

dylan604 2y ago
but but but, we need to see all of that data about your sleeping patterns so we can adjust settings to make you even more comfy. are you getting too hot? we'll cool down the temp for you. getting too cold? we'll heat it up. starting to snore, we'll automatically incline you to change your positioning. of course we'll also sell all of that data so we can send you an ad for new bamboo sheets to keep you cool. or any thing else from anyone else that offers us money for the data
itake 2y ago
How do you ensure the network traffic is encrypted with a PIC12F509?
- dmitrygr 2y ago
  Correct. Beds should have no network or traffic.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - itake 2y ago
    how do you analyze your sleeping quality and habits over time? a built in display? This reminds of the 2005: "phones shouldn't support texting. people should just call" vibes.
    - rangestransform 2y ago
      At most a BLE chip to send data to your phone in a way that doesn’t touch the internet
      - freedomben 2y ago
        I despise the modern "smart" device and actively look for "dumb" things, but if it's going to have a BLE chip in it, it needs to be updateable to fix vulnerabilities. There are mountains of devices from earlier years that are basically wide open radios now because of this. Personally I'd much rather the damn thing just have a built-in display with hardware controls.
    - jtriangle 2y ago
      How do I analyze my sleep quality? I gauge how tired I am when I wake up... as man has done for eons.
    - danparsonson 2y ago
      We're not talking about different modes off communication, we're talking about adding communication to a "device" that doesn't need it.
    - bigstrat2003 2y ago
      Bro are you serious? Those aren't things the average person wants.
      - trallnag 2y ago
        [flagged]
fragmede 2y ago
How does a PIC12F509 connect via bluetooth to talk to an app for the consumer to configure things? How does it connect to wifi to talk to a server to save data to? Like it or not, an app to configure the device instead of the device having a VCR remote control to program in schedules is what consumers have gotten used to these days. If you think there's room in the market for a sleep pad that doesn't talk to the cloud, you're welcome to try, but mass market consumers have come to expect more from products.
- tjoff 2y ago
  No, manufacturers have come to expect monthly revenue on top of getting paid for the hardware.
- FactKnower69 2y ago
  >Like it or not, an app to configure the device instead of the device having a VCR remote control to program in schedules is what consumers have gotten used to these days. No?? When was the last time you spoke to another human being about this topic? Has any other person in your life seriously told you that they like having to download a smartphone app to set up their soundbar? Have you managed to fully insulate yourself from the broader world with a circle of dead-eyed freaks that gleefully spend their free nights registering their appliances online and reading end-user license agreements?
  - archi42 2y ago
    I hate the app+cloud garbage as much as you, but have you considered how a VCR would be programmed today? Take your universal touchscreen device out of your pocket, select the VCR app, get a list of programms for the next weeks, touch the one you want to record (or do a full text search), select if you want to record this episode, all, or a certain set. In the past, you needed to first buy this weeks TV magazine. Or if you got it by mail, find it between all the other magazines. Then, skip all the ads and find the schedule, in there find the program you're looking for. Now you either need to figure out the exact time slot the program airs, or some EPG code. This data now needs to be entered into the VCR. Either find the remote, or knee in front of the device. Enter the code using a rotary encoder, digits 0-9 and a few buttons, or a mixture thereof. In both cases you need to set the receiver to the correct program before leaving the house, else the SCART-connected VCR wouldn't get the video signal. Also you'd need to hope the EPG sent by the station is updated properly - we often had some part of the recording missing, or the recording started to soon/stopped to late. I hope you did put in the correct tape and remembered to rewind it. (I'm ignoring that a modern "VCR" would store the video in the cloud and not need all of this; or a hybrid would at least get the video stream via IPTV and put it on a HDD). Try speaking to other humans about this topic, they don't want these "good old times" back. Also, apps suck because they are mostly always horribly made (they don't need be, but they often are, because the product needs to be cheap); and I hate being forced to use the cloud and have my hardware not work anymore after 5 years because someone decided their Amazon bill is becoming too expensive. Did I mention I don't want my data to be sold to virtually everyone - errr, I mean "shared with partners"? So I either buy things with local control, or no smarts at all.

thfuran 2y ago

Why would I want so much software in my bed that even makes sense to discuss updating it?

Moldoteck 2y ago
Smart temperature and softness adaptation for different regions? Sleep stats of your positions, maybe combined with some deep sleep stats? I mean, there are options
itake 2y ago
Updating the domain name the server talks to, updating the security system (like supporting new versions of TLS, updating certificates, etc). TBH, I wouldn't trust a custom hardware chip that can decrypt the traffic and have it last for the life of the product.
- thfuran 2y ago
  I wouldn't trust a bed that sends traffic to a remote server.
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miah_ 2y ago
The old Sleep Number beds were not smart, they worked fine. I think people want to drown in useless data these days trying to "fix" their sleep when the reality is its their job or high stress causing sleep issues.