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That seems a bit cowardly. People bet against their interests all the time and that’s called hedging. Eg I bet on the President that would be worse for me a de

by NavinF 2y ago

That seems a bit cowardly. People bet against their interests all the time and that’s called hedging. Eg I bet on the President that would be worse for me a decade ago. Winning some money took off all the sting

lukan 2y ago
Cowardly? Maybe my english was bad. To be clear: I want burning coal gone as soon as possible. Betting that it isn't going away would give me incentive to activly work against the banning of coal. Why should I do that? edit: but reading more carefully, yeah, that is what you mean. "Winning some money took off all the sting" Well, that is cowardly I think. Betting on both outcomes. I rather invest what I have in the desired outcome, where my consciousness is. Otherwise my motivation would be less. Because I personally would win this way, my reptilian brain likes immediate payout.
- s1artibartfast 2y ago
  Why are you so careful about your incentives? Do you think your motivation is so fickle as to be swayed by a bet when the other stakes are so high? This seems like a deflection. Genuinely curious if some people think this way.
  - lukan 2y ago
    "Do you think your motivation is so fickle as to be swayed by a bet" Not swayed, but definitely influenced. Every positive and negative outcome of every scenario gets evaluated and our actions result from on this evaluation. Changing some factors changes the outcome. The details are obviously very complicated and the process far from understood, but the principle is quite established I think. So I do not want to influence my motivation even a tiny bit in a direction I do not like. edit: Hypothesis, many problems exist, because too many people bet on things they do not want, but might make money. So less investment in actually changing it.
    - s1artibartfast 2y ago
      That still doesnt explain the concern, given that there is a fundamental difference between influence and action threshold. There is no need to worry about putting a feather on a scale if the other side has an elephant.
      - lukan 2y ago
        "There is no need to worry about putting a feather on a scale if the other side has an elephant." True, but I think the scale here is a bit more complex. Climate change is a quite abstract threat for the brain. Feeling cold feels very real on the other hand. So doing things here and there might add up. Even feathers have weight.
- NavinF 2y ago
  Nope your English is fine and I really do consider your conduct cowardly. If you’re concerned about bad incentives, just commit to donating your winnings from the bet to a charity that fights coal or climate change or something. I’m also gonna go out on a limb and guess that you have approximately zero impact on coal consumption
  - lukan 2y ago
    Allright then. Well, I rather think it would be cowardly to not put my money where my mouth is. "and guess that you have approximately zero impact on coal consumption" And we will see about that in 10 years.

by NavinF 2y ago

lukan 2y ago

Cowardly? Maybe my english was bad. To be clear: I want burning coal gone as soon as possible. Betting that it isn't going away would give me incentive to activly work against the banning of coal. Why should I do that? edit: but reading more carefully, yeah, that is what you mean. "Winning some money took off all the sting" Well, that is cowardly I think. Betting on both outcomes. I rather invest what I have in the desired outcome, where my consciousness is. Otherwise my motivation would be less. Because I personally would win this way, my reptilian brain likes immediate payout.

s1artibartfast 2y ago
Why are you so careful about your incentives? Do you think your motivation is so fickle as to be swayed by a bet when the other stakes are so high? This seems like a deflection. Genuinely curious if some people think this way.
- lukan 2y ago
  "Do you think your motivation is so fickle as to be swayed by a bet" Not swayed, but definitely influenced. Every positive and negative outcome of every scenario gets evaluated and our actions result from on this evaluation. Changing some factors changes the outcome. The details are obviously very complicated and the process far from understood, but the principle is quite established I think. So I do not want to influence my motivation even a tiny bit in a direction I do not like. edit: Hypothesis, many problems exist, because too many people bet on things they do not want, but might make money. So less investment in actually changing it.
  - s1artibartfast 2y ago
    That still doesnt explain the concern, given that there is a fundamental difference between influence and action threshold. There is no need to worry about putting a feather on a scale if the other side has an elephant.
    - lukan 2y ago
      "There is no need to worry about putting a feather on a scale if the other side has an elephant." True, but I think the scale here is a bit more complex. Climate change is a quite abstract threat for the brain. Feeling cold feels very real on the other hand. So doing things here and there might add up. Even feathers have weight.
NavinF 2y ago
Nope your English is fine and I really do consider your conduct cowardly. If you’re concerned about bad incentives, just commit to donating your winnings from the bet to a charity that fights coal or climate change or something. I’m also gonna go out on a limb and guess that you have approximately zero impact on coal consumption
- lukan 2y ago
  Allright then. Well, I rather think it would be cowardly to not put my money where my mouth is. "and guess that you have approximately zero impact on coal consumption" And we will see about that in 10 years.