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Bipartisan consensus in favor of renewable power is ending

3 points by pseudolus 2y ago

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ggm 2y ago
People get impatient. A lot of suppressed opposition finds its voice when even more objectionable views on anything are voiced, it's "the overton window" effect, In Australia support for nuclear is growing amongst young b men more than young women and much more than in the over 50s
- defrost 2y ago
  > In Australia support for nuclear is .. Weirder and weirder the more you drill into it; I haven't had the time yet to look at the range of polls and framing of poll questions on nuclear in Australia, I suspect the various factions having been very selective in their reporting. At a guess there's large support for nuclear when framed as a distant future, no associated cost, carbon zero, possible energy solution; this makes sense and explains one poll return I've seen. Other Australian polls have extremely low support, these I guess are the polls framed as an expensive option to be built one suburb over. Another Australian factor is the high price of gas fired energy on the east coast; anything framed as an alternative to that will see support.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > support for nuclear is growing amongst young b men more than young women and much more than in the over 50s I’d bet, in America, red states resistant to solar would accept nuclear power.
  - bdangubic 2y ago
    Red states will accept whatever Red state politicians tell them - as long as nuclear lobby does its thing you are right
vegetablepotpie 2y ago
This is really bad for the US response to climate change. 5 years ago, the thinking went, if you cannot get bi-partisan consensus on the problem, perhaps you could get consensus on the solutions. Then use renewable energy to deliver economic value to areas most against acting on climate. Use only carrots, no sticks. Perhaps the carrots were not sweet enough. Or perhaps tribalism and beating the other side is a bigger draw than economic benefits.

3 points by pseudolus 2y ago

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ggm 2y ago

People get impatient. A lot of suppressed opposition finds its voice when even more objectionable views on anything are voiced, it's "the overton window" effect, In Australia support for nuclear is growing amongst young b men more than young women and much more than in the over 50s

defrost 2y ago
> In Australia support for nuclear is .. Weirder and weirder the more you drill into it; I haven't had the time yet to look at the range of polls and framing of poll questions on nuclear in Australia, I suspect the various factions having been very selective in their reporting. At a guess there's large support for nuclear when framed as a distant future, no associated cost, carbon zero, possible energy solution; this makes sense and explains one poll return I've seen. Other Australian polls have extremely low support, these I guess are the polls framed as an expensive option to be built one suburb over. Another Australian factor is the high price of gas fired energy on the east coast; anything framed as an alternative to that will see support.
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> support for nuclear is growing amongst young b men more than young women and much more than in the over 50s I’d bet, in America, red states resistant to solar would accept nuclear power.
- bdangubic 2y ago
  Red states will accept whatever Red state politicians tell them - as long as nuclear lobby does its thing you are right

vegetablepotpie 2y ago

This is really bad for the US response to climate change. 5 years ago, the thinking went, if you cannot get bi-partisan consensus on the problem, perhaps you could get consensus on the solutions. Then use renewable energy to deliver economic value to areas most against acting on climate. Use only carrots, no sticks. Perhaps the carrots were not sweet enough. Or perhaps tribalism and beating the other side is a bigger draw than economic benefits.