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Diagnosed by a doctor? I'm terribly sorry, but this just sounds like a long word for "I find it hard to be likeable". So do I, but I don't think of it as a dis

by dash2 2y ago

Diagnosed by a doctor? I'm terribly sorry, but this just sounds like a long word for "I find it hard to be likeable". So do I, but I don't think of it as a disability: it's a part of my character, which to a reasonable degree I consider worth trying to change. I also notice that your sympathy for yourself is not matched by an equal tolerance for other people. "Just because something is evolutionary doesn't make it right," you say of the fact that other people like people who try to be nice. You then compare it to insider trading. Gosh... seems like the rest of the human race are terrible people!

em-bee 2y ago
for me the main factor that makes someone likeable is how nice they are to or how much they like me and others. so i see someone display a dislike to others or to me, then i won't like them either.
giantg2 2y ago
Yes, diagnosed. "I also notice that your sympathy for yourself is not matched by an equal tolerance for other people." Where do you see that? The thing I'm advocating for (removing or reducing networking in the hiring process) will positively effect many more people than myself. It will also positively effect other groups that I'm not a member of (races, ethnicities, cultures, etc). "You then compare it to insider trading. Gosh... seems like the rest of the human race are terrible people!" I'm not saying the people are terrible. But perhaps they are ignorant. Insider trading wasn't illegal until 1909. So do you consider all the people before that terrible? Maybe they didn't know what they were doing was hurting other people. Maybe all they saw were the benefits. What is insider trading? You're using privileged information to capture value. In this case, using non-public information about a stock (possible gained through your network) to buy or sell the stock early. What is networking in relation to this? You're using privileged information to capture value. In this case you're getting information not given in posting via an insider. You might hear about a future opening before its ever gers posted. You might go through the interview as a formality even though they already made their choice. The stats I've seen say that 85% of jobs are found through networking. What we end up with are the same types of bad behavior in the job market as we've seen in the past for the stock market. We see constant complaints from people here and elsewhere about fake or evergreen job postings (v. securities fraud/misrepresentation), shady hiring practices or requirements (v. Fiduciary misconduct), overhiring knowing the budget wont support it then just laying off within a year (v. pump and dump), etc. This is a massive disadvantage to people who don't have an insider. This disproportionately affects people in minority groups and those with disabilities. Many of the types of misconduct that are regulated in other markets like the stock market or commerce are not regulated in the job market.
- dash2 2y ago
  You are hoping to replace the fact that society exists and the economy exists within its context. There is no other way to prevent people from networking to get jobs and promotions. You've also now stretched the concept to include numerous other bad things like overhiring and fake job postings. The stock market is arguably over-regulated as it is, which may be why we now see a large-scale return to private markets; extending this level of regulation to the entire job market is a crazy, unrealistic idea.
  - giantg2 2y ago
    "The stock market is arguably over-regulated as it is, which may be why we now see a large-scale return to private markets;" Lol I don't think there's a single reputable analyst that agrees with your analysis. Private equity has serious ethical issues with the way many outfits operate. It sounds like you don't have a strong understanding of ethics based on your comments. If you want to just play by low regulation or natural law, than I might as well just take your stuff. If they can't enforce it (catch me), then I guess it's right for me to do so.
    - dash2 2y ago
      There are many reputable analysts who agree with my analysis. Here's one: https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/hastlj68&div=19&id=&page= https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/.... Here's another: https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/emlj55&div=10&id=&page= https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/.... I'm not an expert on this: I just spent one minute on Google Scholar. You could have done the same. Private equity is nothing to do with public stock markets. That's why it's called private equity. They buy firms that don't trade on stock markets. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_equity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_equity You think I don't understand ethics, but are you sure you understand finance?

by dash2 2y ago

em-bee 2y ago

for me the main factor that makes someone likeable is how nice they are to or how much they like me and others. so i see someone display a dislike to others or to me, then i won't like them either.

giantg2 2y ago

Yes, diagnosed. "I also notice that your sympathy for yourself is not matched by an equal tolerance for other people." Where do you see that? The thing I'm advocating for (removing or reducing networking in the hiring process) will positively effect many more people than myself. It will also positively effect other groups that I'm not a member of (races, ethnicities, cultures, etc). "You then compare it to insider trading. Gosh... seems like the rest of the human race are terrible people!" I'm not saying the people are terrible. But perhaps they are ignorant. Insider trading wasn't illegal until 1909. So do you consider all the people before that terrible? Maybe they didn't know what they were doing was hurting other people. Maybe all they saw were the benefits. What is insider trading? You're using privileged information to capture value. In this case, using non-public information about a stock (possible gained through your network) to buy or sell the stock early. What is networking in relation to this? You're using privileged information to capture value. In this case you're getting information not given in posting via an insider. You might hear about a future opening before its ever gers posted. You might go through the interview as a formality even though they already made their choice. The stats I've seen say that 85% of jobs are found through networking. What we end up with are the same types of bad behavior in the job market as we've seen in the past for the stock market. We see constant complaints from people here and elsewhere about fake or evergreen job postings (v. securities fraud/misrepresentation), shady hiring practices or requirements (v. Fiduciary misconduct), overhiring knowing the budget wont support it then just laying off within a year (v. pump and dump), etc. This is a massive disadvantage to people who don't have an insider. This disproportionately affects people in minority groups and those with disabilities. Many of the types of misconduct that are regulated in other markets like the stock market or commerce are not regulated in the job market.

dash2 2y ago
You are hoping to replace the fact that society exists and the economy exists within its context. There is no other way to prevent people from networking to get jobs and promotions. You've also now stretched the concept to include numerous other bad things like overhiring and fake job postings. The stock market is arguably over-regulated as it is, which may be why we now see a large-scale return to private markets; extending this level of regulation to the entire job market is a crazy, unrealistic idea.
- giantg2 2y ago
  "The stock market is arguably over-regulated as it is, which may be why we now see a large-scale return to private markets;" Lol I don't think there's a single reputable analyst that agrees with your analysis. Private equity has serious ethical issues with the way many outfits operate. It sounds like you don't have a strong understanding of ethics based on your comments. If you want to just play by low regulation or natural law, than I might as well just take your stuff. If they can't enforce it (catch me), then I guess it's right for me to do so.
  - dash2 2y ago
    There are many reputable analysts who agree with my analysis. Here's one: https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/hastlj68&div=19&id=&page= https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/.... Here's another: https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/emlj55&div=10&id=&page= https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/.... I'm not an expert on this: I just spent one minute on Google Scholar. You could have done the same. Private equity is nothing to do with public stock markets. That's why it's called private equity. They buy firms that don't trade on stock markets. Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_equity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_equity You think I don't understand ethics, but are you sure you understand finance?