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> But I quickly learned that the ability to spread out a map, that might be many square meters, and see everything happening on it at once, without having to sl

by User23 2y ago

> But I quickly learned that the ability to spread out a map, that might be many square meters, and see everything happening on it at once, without having to slide a monitor's viewport around (or zoom in and out) has a number of massive advantages -- and (at the time I was looking at this) there's really no display technology today that can replicate this. This is why I’d love a wall size monitor.

euroderf 2y ago
There are systems for putting a wargame map on the wall and using magnets to attach counters.
chaostheory 2y ago
You can do the same for much cheaper with a VR headset. A popular use for them is to simulate a movie theater or giant computer monitors for flat gaming.
- ekianjo 2y ago
  a VR headset is hardly a replacement for an actual monitor especially for long periods of time
  - Suppafly 2y ago
    >a VR headset is hardly a replacement for an actual monitor especially for long periods of time Except whenever a "is VR worth it?" post comes up here, half the comments are people claiming that's what they use them for.
    - the_af 2y ago
      I had a conversation with someone from work who uses VR to work exclusively (meaning, he doesn't use a normal monitor or keyboard for work) and it turns out his setup is really different from what I imagined. He has a high end VR device, not an Oculus (I forgot which though). His chair is weird and positioned weird. He uses a counterweight in his headset. And so on. Not for me, in other words.
      - BlueTemplar 2y ago
        > He has a high end VR device, not an Oculus Well, duh, would you use one of the cheapest laptops available for work ? (Unless for dogfooding purposes.)
        the_af 2y ago
        Well, some people do claim one use of the Oculus is this. I remain skeptical that most consumer-grade VR headsets are useful for real work. (As an aside, in my work experience of more than 2 decades, almost every workplace provided me entry level laptops/computers. Only relatively recently have they started handing out MacBooks or similar equipment. You can do work with entry level laptops in a way you absolutely cannot with entry level VR headsets).
        BlueTemplar 2y ago
        What do you mean by "entry level" ? Did you have to work on an Eee PC during its time ? (I "did", but it was leased for free by the university, not an employer.) About a year ago I checked out laptops available at the supermarket, and most of them still didn't have an SSD !! Though I think I get what you mean, and also Oculus isn't "entry level" (maybe the first consumer one would qualify today, I have (had ?) one and I can't imagine reading lots of text with that low resolution !), that would be the headsets without 6 Degrees of Freedom (or badly working ones).
        the_af 2y ago
        I'm not using any hard definition, but by "entry level" laptops I meant low RAM, average-to-low CPU power, low-resolution screen (do you remember 768p screens? I've used that for more years than is acceptable to human dignity [1]), and if an external monitor was given, it was 1080p at best. And this was for development. As for the Oculus, I own an Oculus 2 and recently tried an Oculus 3, and while I don't know if calling them "entry level" is fair, I definitely wouldn't want to do any serious work with them, or spend a long time wearing them. For (some) gaming? Sure. Though I get dizzy easily. I do enjoy Beat Saber though! -- [1] for some reason, hardware procurement at most jobs I've worked (until relatively recently) had it backwards. They thought higher screen resolutions were for "watching movies and playing videogames", while lower resolutions were for "serious work". In fact, it's the opposite: 720p is more than enough to watch movies on a tiny laptop screen, while productivity requires more screen real estate! And as for videogames -- average GPUs at the time I was having these work discussions struggled with anything more hi-res than 720p, so thinking that higher resolutions were "for gaming" was a total logical disconnect. Oh well, I cannot complain now; since the advent of the MacBook for Serious Work (tm) all of these problems seem to have gone away.
  - chaostheory 2y ago
    Have you actually tried it?
    - ekianjo 2y ago
      briefly. The image is far from being clear enough to replace a monitor. I havent tried Vision Pro from Apple so it may be better.
KineticLensman 2y ago
The key bits of the battles would still always be on the corner of the map.

by User23 2y ago

euroderf 2y ago

There are systems for putting a wargame map on the wall and using magnets to attach counters.

chaostheory 2y ago

You can do the same for much cheaper with a VR headset. A popular use for them is to simulate a movie theater or giant computer monitors for flat gaming.

ekianjo 2y ago
a VR headset is hardly a replacement for an actual monitor especially for long periods of time
- Suppafly 2y ago
  >a VR headset is hardly a replacement for an actual monitor especially for long periods of time Except whenever a "is VR worth it?" post comes up here, half the comments are people claiming that's what they use them for.
  - the_af 2y ago
    I had a conversation with someone from work who uses VR to work exclusively (meaning, he doesn't use a normal monitor or keyboard for work) and it turns out his setup is really different from what I imagined. He has a high end VR device, not an Oculus (I forgot which though). His chair is weird and positioned weird. He uses a counterweight in his headset. And so on. Not for me, in other words.
    - BlueTemplar 2y ago
      > He has a high end VR device, not an Oculus Well, duh, would you use one of the cheapest laptops available for work ? (Unless for dogfooding purposes.)
      - the_af 2y ago
        Well, some people do claim one use of the Oculus is this. I remain skeptical that most consumer-grade VR headsets are useful for real work. (As an aside, in my work experience of more than 2 decades, almost every workplace provided me entry level laptops/computers. Only relatively recently have they started handing out MacBooks or similar equipment. You can do work with entry level laptops in a way you absolutely cannot with entry level VR headsets).
        BlueTemplar 2y ago
        What do you mean by "entry level" ? Did you have to work on an Eee PC during its time ? (I "did", but it was leased for free by the university, not an employer.) About a year ago I checked out laptops available at the supermarket, and most of them still didn't have an SSD !! Though I think I get what you mean, and also Oculus isn't "entry level" (maybe the first consumer one would qualify today, I have (had ?) one and I can't imagine reading lots of text with that low resolution !), that would be the headsets without 6 Degrees of Freedom (or badly working ones).
        the_af 2y ago
        I'm not using any hard definition, but by "entry level" laptops I meant low RAM, average-to-low CPU power, low-resolution screen (do you remember 768p screens? I've used that for more years than is acceptable to human dignity [1]), and if an external monitor was given, it was 1080p at best. And this was for development. As for the Oculus, I own an Oculus 2 and recently tried an Oculus 3, and while I don't know if calling them "entry level" is fair, I definitely wouldn't want to do any serious work with them, or spend a long time wearing them. For (some) gaming? Sure. Though I get dizzy easily. I do enjoy Beat Saber though! -- [1] for some reason, hardware procurement at most jobs I've worked (until relatively recently) had it backwards. They thought higher screen resolutions were for "watching movies and playing videogames", while lower resolutions were for "serious work". In fact, it's the opposite: 720p is more than enough to watch movies on a tiny laptop screen, while productivity requires more screen real estate! And as for videogames -- average GPUs at the time I was having these work discussions struggled with anything more hi-res than 720p, so thinking that higher resolutions were "for gaming" was a total logical disconnect. Oh well, I cannot complain now; since the advent of the MacBook for Serious Work (tm) all of these problems seem to have gone away.
- chaostheory 2y ago
  Have you actually tried it?
  - ekianjo 2y ago
    briefly. The image is far from being clear enough to replace a monitor. I havent tried Vision Pro from Apple so it may be better.

KineticLensman 2y ago

The key bits of the battles would still always be on the corner of the map.