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It’s not a “personal attack”. If a man drinks to excess everyday and I refer to him as an alcoholic I’m not attacking him. It’s simply an unpleasant fact. If I
by slowhadoken 2y ago
It’s not a “personal attack”. If a man drinks to excess everyday and I refer to him as an alcoholic I’m not attacking him. It’s simply an unpleasant fact. If I provide evidence to support a statement and someone irrationally denies it then it’s fair to say they’re in denial.
- dredmorbius 2y ago<https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23001661 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23001661> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23400737 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23400737> <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36470028 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36470028>
- slowhadoken 2y agoI see what you're saying and I disagree. I believe you're framing my statement in a negative light which breaks the first and second rule you pointed out. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9973077 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9973077 Which could be construed as gatekeeping. But thanks for making me aware of community guidelines, they'll come in handy.
- dredmorbius 2y agoSearch HN via Algolia for "by:dang personal attacks" to see his guidelines. In some cases he'll spell these out in more detail and the rationale behind them, which should further clarify rule, intent, and rationale.
- slowhadoken 2y agoI still believe my statement is a fact.
- dredmorbius 2y agoChanneling dang, "just stating facts" isn't sufficient defence: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29811958 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29811958>. Generally, mods' goals are something of a dual mandate: intellectual curiosity (see: <>), and trying to keep the discussion from boiling over, which it's constantly on the verge of. I'm not finding the comment I'd had in mind yet, but this one at least hints at the concept: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32588063 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32588063>. And a longer one which goes into the whys and wherefores: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29803838 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29803838>. Another long and good one: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176705 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28176705>. For clarity: I'm not a mod, I occasionally disagree strongly with mod's positions. But I've also come to understand, if at times grudgingly accept, their principles.
- slowhadoken 2y agoI don’t think I need a defense.
- dredmorbius 2y agoThe point is that if you're consistently violating HN's guidelines, you'll find yourself penalised. Mostly by ordinary participants such as myself, but if you're persistent and insistent, mods will eventually step in. And "just telling the truth" isn't a defence, justification, or excuse. If you want to explore this issue further, you are free to search though dang's voluminous set of responses on this and other topics.
- slowhadoken 2y ago[flagged]
- dredmorbius 2y agoSince I'd omitted the "intellectual curiosity" link above: <https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20193552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20193552>
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