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> That only happens because the govt. in cahoots with NIMBYies restricts new development while we have a rising population. there is plenty of unused housing i

> That only happens because the govt. in cahoots with NIMBYies restricts new development while we have a rising population. there is plenty of unused housing inventory. the problem is that people can no longer afford rents. > When are we going to address the government overregulation problem? don't worry, the supreme court just overturned the chevron doctrine. hope you weren't for right-to-repair or net neutrality! but pesky "overregulation" right? it's all bad if it comes from "the government."

cscurmudgeon 2y ago
Respectfully, plenty of data below disproving what you say. > there is plenty of unused housing inventory False: https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/musne8/disproving_the_vacant_homes_myth/ https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/musne8/dispro... What do you say about cities losing literally hundreds of millions on housing funds? https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/04/13/audit-san-jose-failed-to-adequately-track-300-million-in-homelessness-spending/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/04/13/audit-san-jose-failed... > the problem is that people can no longer afford rents And that is because supply is low. Go to the root cause of that: https://sfstandard.com/2024/04/08/san-francisco-new-housing-permits-pace/ https://sfstandard.com/2024/04/08/san-francisco-new-housing-... > San Francisco approved just 7 new homes in 2 months. Why? https://scott-wiener.medium.com/yes-supply-demand-apply-to-housing-even-in-san-francisco-193c1b0c190f https://scott-wiener.medium.com/yes-supply-demand-apply-to-h... Supply/demand is proven science in housing. > it's all bad if it comes from "the government." The other side of the coin is: It's all good if it comes from "the government."! https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/9bipvp/south-park-the-government-loves-you https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/9bipvp/south-park-the-g... You should also read up on the case where the Chevron deference happened in the first place.
- poldk 2y ago
  Money is a socialized hallucination We’re following along with the pseudoscience and propaganda of the prior generation of post war shellshocked Cold War paranoids Supply demand has more to do with real supply. Even if there’s plenty of housing in BFE no one wants to live there. Where the supply is and other variables matter. Cherry picked social media and corporate news may as well be throwing spaghetti at the wall. This is the colloquial equivalent to p-hacking.
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    Hey, language is a socialized hallucination too. Using that logic, thanks for agreeing with me!
    - poldk 2y ago
      Yeah it is. It’s highly mutable. No need for it to be what you believe it to be. My point is the endless possibilities and only one real reality matters; enough people feel served by society or they’ll forget the words and reach for guns. Your grasp of contemporary memes is not armor against physics.
  - EasyMark 2y ago
    I suppose if that’s the case then human society is a hallucination. It only has as much reality and value as we decide as a group to give it. Any bit of human construct can be considered a hallucination beyond realities like eating, drinking, and expelling without which we cease to exist.
    - poldk 2y ago
      Yep. Society is not immutable physics. Note how it keeps changing despite appeals of prior generations to stay the same. How the species tries to blow itself up. If we were meant to exist forever all these physics things would not be able to harm us. Constrain us to life on Earth. We couldn’t die. Entropy is a bitch.
- whoknowsidont 2y ago
  You cherry-picked all of these sources and ignored than 8 billion official and academic resources that refute your stance lol.
  - cscurmudgeon 2y ago
    You and the person I replied to post 0 out of these "8 billion official and academic resources." Feel free to add just one of the "8 billion official and academic resources" that you and OP ignored. If you say supply and demand doesn't work for housing (science proven over centuries in human societies all over the world), you are similar to vaccine deniers.
EasyMark 2y ago
The people who are cheering for that decision likely won’t be cheering when their tap water looks gray with heavy metals and sulfur/methane gas coming through.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  Look up the history of why Chevron deference was made in the first place (hint: you won't like it). This forces the legislature to be less lazy and do their jobs well.

cscurmudgeon 2y ago

Respectfully, plenty of data below disproving what you say. > there is plenty of unused housing inventory False: https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/musne8/disproving_the_vacant_homes_myth/ https://www.reddit.com/r/badeconomics/comments/musne8/dispro... What do you say about cities losing literally hundreds of millions on housing funds? https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/04/13/audit-san-jose-failed-to-adequately-track-300-million-in-homelessness-spending/ https://www.mercurynews.com/2024/04/13/audit-san-jose-failed... > the problem is that people can no longer afford rents And that is because supply is low. Go to the root cause of that: https://sfstandard.com/2024/04/08/san-francisco-new-housing-permits-pace/ https://sfstandard.com/2024/04/08/san-francisco-new-housing-... > San Francisco approved just 7 new homes in 2 months. Why? https://scott-wiener.medium.com/yes-supply-demand-apply-to-housing-even-in-san-francisco-193c1b0c190f https://scott-wiener.medium.com/yes-supply-demand-apply-to-h... Supply/demand is proven science in housing. > it's all bad if it comes from "the government." The other side of the coin is: It's all good if it comes from "the government."! https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/9bipvp/south-park-the-government-loves-you https://southpark.cc.com/video-clips/9bipvp/south-park-the-g... You should also read up on the case where the Chevron deference happened in the first place.

poldk 2y ago
Money is a socialized hallucination We’re following along with the pseudoscience and propaganda of the prior generation of post war shellshocked Cold War paranoids Supply demand has more to do with real supply. Even if there’s plenty of housing in BFE no one wants to live there. Where the supply is and other variables matter. Cherry picked social media and corporate news may as well be throwing spaghetti at the wall. This is the colloquial equivalent to p-hacking.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  Hey, language is a socialized hallucination too. Using that logic, thanks for agreeing with me!
  - poldk 2y ago
    Yeah it is. It’s highly mutable. No need for it to be what you believe it to be. My point is the endless possibilities and only one real reality matters; enough people feel served by society or they’ll forget the words and reach for guns. Your grasp of contemporary memes is not armor against physics.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  I suppose if that’s the case then human society is a hallucination. It only has as much reality and value as we decide as a group to give it. Any bit of human construct can be considered a hallucination beyond realities like eating, drinking, and expelling without which we cease to exist.
  - poldk 2y ago
    Yep. Society is not immutable physics. Note how it keeps changing despite appeals of prior generations to stay the same. How the species tries to blow itself up. If we were meant to exist forever all these physics things would not be able to harm us. Constrain us to life on Earth. We couldn’t die. Entropy is a bitch.
whoknowsidont 2y ago
You cherry-picked all of these sources and ignored than 8 billion official and academic resources that refute your stance lol.
- cscurmudgeon 2y ago
  You and the person I replied to post 0 out of these "8 billion official and academic resources." Feel free to add just one of the "8 billion official and academic resources" that you and OP ignored. If you say supply and demand doesn't work for housing (science proven over centuries in human societies all over the world), you are similar to vaccine deniers.

EasyMark 2y ago

The people who are cheering for that decision likely won’t be cheering when their tap water looks gray with heavy metals and sulfur/methane gas coming through.

cscurmudgeon 2y ago
Look up the history of why Chevron deference was made in the first place (hint: you won't like it). This forces the legislature to be less lazy and do their jobs well.