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> It's a damn shame that western nations couldn't pony up sufficient air defense before it was needed rather than waiting until after it was too late. For the

by ffsm8 2y ago

> It's a damn shame that western nations couldn't pony up sufficient air defense before it was needed rather than waiting until after it was too late. For the record: Ukraine has no defense agreement with any of these western nations that are currently supporting them, and there is 0 chance that - if roles were reversed and another European nation had been attacked - that they'd have supported this theoretical victim. The way you're phrasing that is honestly outrageous.

tim333 2y ago
Dunno about zero chance. I'd imagine they'd help if they could. The UK and US provided "security assurances" to Ukraine in return for it giving up its nukes.
- dralley 2y ago
  They helped with the evacuation of journalists, embassy workers and translators from Afghanistan.
chipdart 2y ago
> For the record: Ukraine has no defense agreement with any of these western nations that are currently supporting them (...) Why do you feel this is relevant? > (...) and there is 0 chance that - if roles were reversed and another European nation had been attacked - that they'd have supported this theoretical victim. I'm also not sure what leads you to believe this is relevant at all. Ukraine is surrounded by NATO members. If NATO is not enough to counter a threat, things would be far bleaker for Ukraine as well. What point do you think you're making?
- 57FkMytWjyFu 2y ago
  No it isn't. The country to the right is not in NATO. The country to the north is not in NATO. Transnistria is a None-Of-The-Above. Are the navigable waters of the Black Sea 'in NATO'? Neighboring is not surrounding.
- ffsm8 2y ago
  The point is simply that European nations are currently gifting a lot of tax payer money to Ukraine to support the Ukrainians to keep their independence. There would've been countless ways to mitigate the risks of the invasion, they choose not to and now even badmouth the nations literally gifting them money. This is at a level of homeowners not insuring their homes and then complain that the state took a while to rebuild their homes free of charge.

by ffsm8 2y ago

tim333 2y ago

Dunno about zero chance. I'd imagine they'd help if they could. The UK and US provided "security assurances" to Ukraine in return for it giving up its nukes.

dralley 2y ago
They helped with the evacuation of journalists, embassy workers and translators from Afghanistan.

chipdart 2y ago

> For the record: Ukraine has no defense agreement with any of these western nations that are currently supporting them (...) Why do you feel this is relevant? > (...) and there is 0 chance that - if roles were reversed and another European nation had been attacked - that they'd have supported this theoretical victim. I'm also not sure what leads you to believe this is relevant at all. Ukraine is surrounded by NATO members. If NATO is not enough to counter a threat, things would be far bleaker for Ukraine as well. What point do you think you're making?

57FkMytWjyFu 2y ago
No it isn't. The country to the right is not in NATO. The country to the north is not in NATO. Transnistria is a None-Of-The-Above. Are the navigable waters of the Black Sea 'in NATO'? Neighboring is not surrounding.
ffsm8 2y ago
The point is simply that European nations are currently gifting a lot of tax payer money to Ukraine to support the Ukrainians to keep their independence. There would've been countless ways to mitigate the risks of the invasion, they choose not to and now even badmouth the nations literally gifting them money. This is at a level of homeowners not insuring their homes and then complain that the state took a while to rebuild their homes free of charge.