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Okay fine it’s a scale. You got me, the US is morally superior to plenty of countries. It was hyperbolic to say it isn’t. But still, there is no such thing as g

Okay fine it’s a scale. You got me, the US is morally superior to plenty of countries. It was hyperbolic to say it isn’t. But still, there is no such thing as good and evil here. Just different shades of evil.

gambiting 2y ago
I'll be honest with you - it feels like the only reason why you brought up US here is to say those last two sentences.
- therobots927 2y ago
  Another reason I might bring up the US is because in certain contexts especially concerning geopolitics, references to Russia as “the bad guy” is used to justify all kinds of things. The same way Communism (I.e the USSR) was used as a boogeyman to justify US behavior in Vietnam (bombing civilians). Does that mean that I don’t support the US over Russia? Of course I do. I’m a citizen of the US. But I don’t like language like “the real bad guy”. It’s not whataboutism in that context.
  - gambiting 2y ago
    I mean, I appreciate that you comment from your own perspective as a US citizen, but I think it's just jarring because 1) even the article didn't mention it, so it feels like a forced comment to say "well, there are only shades of grey". 2) folks who aren't US citizens don't vibe with your perspective the same way. As a Pole I see Russians as unequivcally "the bad guys" because they have done the exact same kind of thing to our country to Polish people in the past. The tales of Polish prisoners in Russian work camps are numerous and pretty much the same as this article describes.
    - therobots927 2y ago
      That’s completely fair and I wasn’t trying to diminish the crimes of Russia. I shouldn’t have immediately gone to the secondary discussion about US foreign policy
lawn 2y ago
> But still, there is no such thing as good and evil here. You're trying very hard to insert the US into the discussion here while the focus should be on what Russia is doing to Ukraine, where there's very clearly a good vs evil thing going on. Complaining about the evil that US has committed when discussing Russia's actions is only helping Russia's propaganda. Cut it out.

gambiting 2y ago

I'll be honest with you - it feels like the only reason why you brought up US here is to say those last two sentences.

therobots927 2y ago
Another reason I might bring up the US is because in certain contexts especially concerning geopolitics, references to Russia as “the bad guy” is used to justify all kinds of things. The same way Communism (I.e the USSR) was used as a boogeyman to justify US behavior in Vietnam (bombing civilians). Does that mean that I don’t support the US over Russia? Of course I do. I’m a citizen of the US. But I don’t like language like “the real bad guy”. It’s not whataboutism in that context.
- gambiting 2y ago
  I mean, I appreciate that you comment from your own perspective as a US citizen, but I think it's just jarring because 1) even the article didn't mention it, so it feels like a forced comment to say "well, there are only shades of grey". 2) folks who aren't US citizens don't vibe with your perspective the same way. As a Pole I see Russians as unequivcally "the bad guys" because they have done the exact same kind of thing to our country to Polish people in the past. The tales of Polish prisoners in Russian work camps are numerous and pretty much the same as this article describes.
  - therobots927 2y ago
    That’s completely fair and I wasn’t trying to diminish the crimes of Russia. I shouldn’t have immediately gone to the secondary discussion about US foreign policy

lawn 2y ago

> But still, there is no such thing as good and evil here. You're trying very hard to insert the US into the discussion here while the focus should be on what Russia is doing to Ukraine, where there's very clearly a good vs evil thing going on. Complaining about the evil that US has committed when discussing Russia's actions is only helping Russia's propaganda. Cut it out.