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Please don't whatabout in a thread clearly about two countries that are not the US. There are plenty of threads to go around about US imperialism that are a bet

Please don't whatabout in a thread clearly about two countries that are not the US. There are plenty of threads to go around about US imperialism that are a better place for your comment.

bananabiscuit 2y ago
It’s necessary to whatabout when threads about Russia come up because there are usually plenty of top rated comments (see above) dehumanizing Russians and calling for their extermination. I have never seen any thread critical of US meddling in world affairs express the same hatred of US citizens and supporter's. “whataboutism” should not be used as defense against double standards. Double standards should be clearly called out.
- emptysongglass 2y ago
  I don't see any comments calling for the extermination of Russians. It sounds like you're making things up to support your own agenda.
- rainworld 2y ago
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  - fractallyte 2y ago
    What's an "Azovite"? And "ancestral hatred of Russians and Russia"? If my grandparents and parents were victims of Soviet aggression/invasion/genocide, what right do you have to question "ancestral hatred"? The fact that Russia is doing it again is enough to arouse intense emotions in many European populations.
    - rainworld 2y ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade You know, the ones with the funny tattoos. I’m sure your ancestors would have recognized those. >Soviet Equating modern Russia and the SU is a widely deployed sleight of hand at the moment. Same with pre-Soviet Russia. No matter how little sense it actually makes. “Show me on this map where the Tsar/Stalin hurt you.” But there is a common thread: Russia was, is, and will remain for a long while the predominant regional power. Pays to have a friendly relationship with them. Ami will go home. Sooner or later.
      - rainworld 2y ago
        [Replying to a now deleted post misquoting https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Address_concerning_the_events_in_Ukraine https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Address_concerning_the_events...] >claims these things What he actually claims: I would like to emphasise again that Ukraine is not just a neighbouring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space. These are our comrades, those dearest to us – not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties. >criticizes Lenin and Stalin He criticizes the Soviets for creating Ukraine as we know it—Donbass, Crimea and so on. Artificial borders, a people divided; precisely to prevent the SU from becoming synonymous with Russia. And it wasn’t just the Soviets who sought to use Ukraine against Russia. Every day Ukraine-supporters whine about what they consider lackluster support from the West. What’s actually happening is obvious but wishful thinking and a quality reality distortion field prevent enlightenment: While there are real limits of supply, and at times they might have in fact entertained the idea of “winning,” the basic goal is and has always been to cause as much death and destruction as possible without actually getting into a shooting war with Russia. And, of course, most of that death and destruction happens in Ukraine. And then they have the gall to cry “scorched earth.”
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therobots927 2y ago
I have a strong suspicion the parent comment I was replying to was written by someone that thinks America has an infinite moral bank account can draw from to escape culpability for its actions. Maybe I misinterpreted that and if so you’re correct. But the way it was worded seemed pretty clear to me that the author sees the world like a Star Wars movie of good and evil. It’s not. In the real world the Jedi kill kids too.
- gambiting 2y ago
  >>was written by someone that thinks America Dude, you're the only person here who mentioned America. Feels like you're projecting what you think other people think and reply to that, not to what they actually wrote.
  - therobots927 2y ago
    That’s fair I think that might have happened in this case.

Please don't whatabout in a thread clearly about two countries that are not the US. There are plenty of threads to go around about US imperialism that are a better place for your comment.

bananabiscuit 2y ago

It’s necessary to whatabout when threads about Russia come up because there are usually plenty of top rated comments (see above) dehumanizing Russians and calling for their extermination. I have never seen any thread critical of US meddling in world affairs express the same hatred of US citizens and supporter's. “whataboutism” should not be used as defense against double standards. Double standards should be clearly called out.

emptysongglass 2y ago
I don't see any comments calling for the extermination of Russians. It sounds like you're making things up to support your own agenda.
rainworld 2y ago
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- fractallyte 2y ago
  What's an "Azovite"? And "ancestral hatred of Russians and Russia"? If my grandparents and parents were victims of Soviet aggression/invasion/genocide, what right do you have to question "ancestral hatred"? The fact that Russia is doing it again is enough to arouse intense emotions in many European populations.
  - rainworld 2y ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Brigade You know, the ones with the funny tattoos. I’m sure your ancestors would have recognized those. >Soviet Equating modern Russia and the SU is a widely deployed sleight of hand at the moment. Same with pre-Soviet Russia. No matter how little sense it actually makes. “Show me on this map where the Tsar/Stalin hurt you.” But there is a common thread: Russia was, is, and will remain for a long while the predominant regional power. Pays to have a friendly relationship with them. Ami will go home. Sooner or later.
    - rainworld 2y ago
      [Replying to a now deleted post misquoting https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Address_concerning_the_events_in_Ukraine https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Address_concerning_the_events...] >claims these things What he actually claims: I would like to emphasise again that Ukraine is not just a neighbouring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space. These are our comrades, those dearest to us – not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties. >criticizes Lenin and Stalin He criticizes the Soviets for creating Ukraine as we know it—Donbass, Crimea and so on. Artificial borders, a people divided; precisely to prevent the SU from becoming synonymous with Russia. And it wasn’t just the Soviets who sought to use Ukraine against Russia. Every day Ukraine-supporters whine about what they consider lackluster support from the West. What’s actually happening is obvious but wishful thinking and a quality reality distortion field prevent enlightenment: While there are real limits of supply, and at times they might have in fact entertained the idea of “winning,” the basic goal is and has always been to cause as much death and destruction as possible without actually getting into a shooting war with Russia. And, of course, most of that death and destruction happens in Ukraine. And then they have the gall to cry “scorched earth.”
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therobots927 2y ago

I have a strong suspicion the parent comment I was replying to was written by someone that thinks America has an infinite moral bank account can draw from to escape culpability for its actions. Maybe I misinterpreted that and if so you’re correct. But the way it was worded seemed pretty clear to me that the author sees the world like a Star Wars movie of good and evil. It’s not. In the real world the Jedi kill kids too.

gambiting 2y ago
>>was written by someone that thinks America Dude, you're the only person here who mentioned America. Feels like you're projecting what you think other people think and reply to that, not to what they actually wrote.
- therobots927 2y ago
  That’s fair I think that might have happened in this case.