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Is the 13in model suffering the same issues? How about under Linux? Would love a solid machine to replace the Apple MBP but I'm very skeptical.

stavros 2y ago
I have the 15 inch version Framework and it's working great (I'm writing this comment on it now). It's given me a bit of hassle after a few years, mainly the trackpad not always registering a click and the caps lock key sticking a bit when pressed, but otherwise it's been problem-free. The Intel processor gets a bit too hot for many people's liking if you're doing something that pegs the CPU, but it hasn't bothered me. I'm definitely buying a Framework again (or, more likely, just upgrading the motherboard with the latest AMD).
- longitudinal93 2y ago
  And of course you can easily replace the keyboard and trackpad yourself for about $100.
  - stavros 2y ago
    Yes, but I kind of feel they shouldn't have broken this quickly. Maybe they're under warranty, I'll have to check.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  > I have the 15 inch version Framework and it's working great (I'm writing this comment on it now). Did you mean 13 or 16?
  - stavros 2y ago
    I think it's 15, the previous generation from the 16 one. I don't remember exactly, though.
    - zamadatix 2y ago
      In that case very likely the 13" then, there were never any other options beyond the two listed (unless I've been severely mistaken in my search for one before but https://community.frame.work/t/15-laptop/556/222 https://community.frame.work/t/15-laptop/556/222 seems to start from near the 13 launching and resolves in the new 16 being created recently). The uncertainty of knowing specific about the equipment (and I don't mean in this specific case but that, in general, we all don't know a lot of obvious things about our own devices) is what makes review threads so hard. Particularly when it comes to trying to weigh claims of have have/haven't had ${ISSUE} about things. I wish there was some better balanced way to do reviews than single news style reports, ad hoc discussion, or aggregation of bot reviews. Meta news style reviews maybe?
      - stavros 2y ago
        You're right, the serial is FRANGACP04 which seems to be the 13" one. The problem is that this appears nowhere on the laptop or software (I'm sure it'll be there if I open the chassis up, but I shouldn't need a screwdriver to find my laptop's model).
        anotherhue 2y ago
        Are you on a unix? try `dmesg | grep Framework`
        stavros 2y ago
        I am, I tried lshw but I'll try dmesg too, thank you.
metabagel 2y ago
For me, the 13” AMD Framework laptop is outstanding (running Ubuntu). I previously had the first generation 13” Intel laptop, and it had charging issues and fan noise, but this Ryzen laptop is fast and quiet. I can’t think of any complaints. It feels like a mature laptop. I love the 4:3 screen aspect.
cassepipe 2y ago
I really recommend the 13 version. The 3:2 screen format (extra vertical space) makes up for the small form factor. It's very nice to have a sturdy, lightweight laptop while also feeling like I have a big screen. Linux works ok but it's not first class either, it's not tinkering free. That's really my main criticism towards Framework, else it's a great machine.
lolinder 2y ago
I love my 13-in for my use cases, but if you're looking to replace a MacBook it depends on what matters to you about the MacBook. The biggest thing that you'll miss is battery life. I've been running Linux laptops for years so I've kind of gotten used to a 5–6-hour battery life, but I know that that would drive some people crazy. The other thing from the review that does still apply to my laptop is that it does get hotter than a MacBook would. I don't find that it gets uncomfortably hot unless I'm playing a game, but it definitely does in those cases. I've experienced none of the other issues described in the review: the build quality is fantastic and my Linux system (Debian) has been very stable.

stavros 2y ago

I have the 15 inch version Framework and it's working great (I'm writing this comment on it now). It's given me a bit of hassle after a few years, mainly the trackpad not always registering a click and the caps lock key sticking a bit when pressed, but otherwise it's been problem-free. The Intel processor gets a bit too hot for many people's liking if you're doing something that pegs the CPU, but it hasn't bothered me. I'm definitely buying a Framework again (or, more likely, just upgrading the motherboard with the latest AMD).

longitudinal93 2y ago
And of course you can easily replace the keyboard and trackpad yourself for about $100.
- stavros 2y ago
  Yes, but I kind of feel they shouldn't have broken this quickly. Maybe they're under warranty, I'll have to check.
zamadatix 2y ago
> I have the 15 inch version Framework and it's working great (I'm writing this comment on it now). Did you mean 13 or 16?
- stavros 2y ago
  I think it's 15, the previous generation from the 16 one. I don't remember exactly, though.
  - zamadatix 2y ago
    In that case very likely the 13" then, there were never any other options beyond the two listed (unless I've been severely mistaken in my search for one before but https://community.frame.work/t/15-laptop/556/222 https://community.frame.work/t/15-laptop/556/222 seems to start from near the 13 launching and resolves in the new 16 being created recently). The uncertainty of knowing specific about the equipment (and I don't mean in this specific case but that, in general, we all don't know a lot of obvious things about our own devices) is what makes review threads so hard. Particularly when it comes to trying to weigh claims of have have/haven't had ${ISSUE} about things. I wish there was some better balanced way to do reviews than single news style reports, ad hoc discussion, or aggregation of bot reviews. Meta news style reviews maybe?
    - stavros 2y ago
      You're right, the serial is FRANGACP04 which seems to be the 13" one. The problem is that this appears nowhere on the laptop or software (I'm sure it'll be there if I open the chassis up, but I shouldn't need a screwdriver to find my laptop's model).
      - anotherhue 2y ago
        Are you on a unix? try `dmesg | grep Framework`
        stavros 2y ago
        I am, I tried lshw but I'll try dmesg too, thank you.

metabagel 2y ago

For me, the 13” AMD Framework laptop is outstanding (running Ubuntu). I previously had the first generation 13” Intel laptop, and it had charging issues and fan noise, but this Ryzen laptop is fast and quiet. I can’t think of any complaints. It feels like a mature laptop. I love the 4:3 screen aspect.

cassepipe 2y ago

I really recommend the 13 version. The 3:2 screen format (extra vertical space) makes up for the small form factor. It's very nice to have a sturdy, lightweight laptop while also feeling like I have a big screen. Linux works ok but it's not first class either, it's not tinkering free. That's really my main criticism towards Framework, else it's a great machine.

lolinder 2y ago

I love my 13-in for my use cases, but if you're looking to replace a MacBook it depends on what matters to you about the MacBook. The biggest thing that you'll miss is battery life. I've been running Linux laptops for years so I've kind of gotten used to a 5–6-hour battery life, but I know that that would drive some people crazy. The other thing from the review that does still apply to my laptop is that it does get hotter than a MacBook would. I don't find that it gets uncomfortably hot unless I'm playing a game, but it definitely does in those cases. I've experienced none of the other issues described in the review: the build quality is fantastic and my Linux system (Debian) has been very stable.