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I'm not saying it's not cynical, but it's surely not wrong. He just said what everyone in the business was already thinking.

torginus 2y ago
It's exactly how democracies backslide into authoritarianism. First they violate the law. Then they ignore it. Then ignoring it becomes the new norm. Then the new norm becomes the new law.
- victorbojica 2y ago
  Not saying it's a good thing either. And what you're saying it's unfortunately true. We need people who really value creation, democracy, etc and not pure capitalism, profit optimization, etc.
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  The Chevron repeal in a nutshell. And it'll keep happening if nothing can keep it in check.
lucianbr 2y ago
Do Mistral and xAI get to freely scrape the output of Microsoft ChatGPT? I for one, think either answer to this question will turn out bad, for all of them. Drowning out creativity on the internet with remixed word salad will only be profitable for a short while. After which, people will start looking for human-created stuff, and avoid ai as much as possible. And slowly, it will become possible. Just like adblockers slowly advance.
- CuriouslyC 2y ago
  People may think they want non-AI stuff, but they just want things created with intention. AI is just a tool, and the very best creators will leverage it to take art to a new level.
  - lucianbr 2y ago
    Well this new level doesn't seem to be here yet, so I'll believe it when I see it. Crypto also "will change the world", except it didn't, for all the confidence of its supporters. Claims about great things in the future are a dime a million.
    - CuriouslyC 2y ago
      I'm pretty sure you've seen it many times and not realized, because the creator took care to build upon what the AI produced, giving it polish and a human touch, then didn't advertise it as "AI"
denton-scratch 2y ago
It's cynical and wrong. What he (seems to be) saying is that it's fine to violate the legal rights of other people if they don't have a large legal department, and you do. It's blindingly obvious that's wrong. "Everyone in the business" - you mean, the AI training business? Paraphrasing a famous call-girl, "They would say that, wouldn't they?"
- johnnyanmac 2y ago
  >"Everyone in the business" - you mean, the AI training business? This isn't even limited to tech. Rich people at worst settle with money to break the law, and at best completely get off scot free doing things that would put much pettier offenders behind bars. I steal some bread from a store and go to jail. Some rich dude commits millions in fraud and cover up and still runs for president.
surfingdino 2y ago
Funny how all those "thought leaders" do end up in jail even though everyone seeing them steal all they can is already thinking.

torginus 2y ago

It's exactly how democracies backslide into authoritarianism. First they violate the law. Then they ignore it. Then ignoring it becomes the new norm. Then the new norm becomes the new law.

victorbojica 2y ago
Not saying it's a good thing either. And what you're saying it's unfortunately true. We need people who really value creation, democracy, etc and not pure capitalism, profit optimization, etc.
johnnyanmac 2y ago
The Chevron repeal in a nutshell. And it'll keep happening if nothing can keep it in check.

lucianbr 2y ago

Do Mistral and xAI get to freely scrape the output of Microsoft ChatGPT? I for one, think either answer to this question will turn out bad, for all of them. Drowning out creativity on the internet with remixed word salad will only be profitable for a short while. After which, people will start looking for human-created stuff, and avoid ai as much as possible. And slowly, it will become possible. Just like adblockers slowly advance.

CuriouslyC 2y ago
People may think they want non-AI stuff, but they just want things created with intention. AI is just a tool, and the very best creators will leverage it to take art to a new level.
- lucianbr 2y ago
  Well this new level doesn't seem to be here yet, so I'll believe it when I see it. Crypto also "will change the world", except it didn't, for all the confidence of its supporters. Claims about great things in the future are a dime a million.
  - CuriouslyC 2y ago
    I'm pretty sure you've seen it many times and not realized, because the creator took care to build upon what the AI produced, giving it polish and a human touch, then didn't advertise it as "AI"

denton-scratch 2y ago

It's cynical and wrong. What he (seems to be) saying is that it's fine to violate the legal rights of other people if they don't have a large legal department, and you do. It's blindingly obvious that's wrong. "Everyone in the business" - you mean, the AI training business? Paraphrasing a famous call-girl, "They would say that, wouldn't they?"

johnnyanmac 2y ago
>"Everyone in the business" - you mean, the AI training business? This isn't even limited to tech. Rich people at worst settle with money to break the law, and at best completely get off scot free doing things that would put much pettier offenders behind bars. I steal some bread from a store and go to jail. Some rich dude commits millions in fraud and cover up and still runs for president.

surfingdino 2y ago

Funny how all those "thought leaders" do end up in jail even though everyone seeing them steal all they can is already thinking.