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The disconnect was always there in 20th century too, if you actually cared to look hard enough at your / peers previous generation. The more you steered from s

by jajko 2y ago

The disconnect was always there in 20th century too, if you actually cared to look hard enough at your / peers previous generation. The more you steered from some basic life path the more friction there was, and not even going into various social minorities who can now actually live a decent life. The idea that now young have it much tougher is simply not a reality in my surroundings, I had 1% of the options my children had and ie path to just freedom was where you risked your actual life. Some young just have little patience and want it all immediately, or otherwise they are failing in life and some form of communism needs to be installed promptly. Cant comprehend that social networks arent showing a reality, just few marketaeble slices of it. But this is largely failure of parents failing to explain to kids how world runs, what to expect and how to get what you want out of it.

rafaelmn 2y ago
Problem is world isn't fair, some people do get it all for free, absurd/perverse scenarios happen all the time. I think what's different in this generation is that it's becoming much more visible to everyone, so even if these are the outliers everything is judged accordingly. Also it's kind of making extremes more acceptable slowly because they are always in the attention sphere. Just look at the political spectrum - Trump really changed the game even here in Europe, politicians lost so much shame - stuff that would previously cause you to resign - now they just do some stupid spin, double down and get even more support from the tribe. I'm mid 30s and I feel things have changed considerably in last 10 years, loss of shame in particular - once you get stuff chewed up by social media as the latest shock fad - everyone gets used to it so fast and it becomes almost normalized (not shocking at least).
gizmo 2y ago
Previous generations lived through world wars, famines, and other devastation. Those born in the wrong place also face unimaginable hardship today, but most of us have not been that unlucky. Still, youth unemployment in the south of Europe has been 20%-40% for the past two decades. You can’t blame people for feeling their prospects are grim when they see all their friends struggling in young adulthood, even when objectively speaking previous generations had to deal with far worse problems. The paradox is that when everybody has a lot of opportunity then competition becomes proportionally more fierce. That gives rise to the impression that things are getting worse when people should conclude the opposite: more people getting more opportunities means more competition. You can’t have upward mobility without commensurate downward mobility.
piva00 2y ago
They don't have it much tougher in life comforts, for sure, but it's not because of that they should be grateful and accepting of all the issues and injustices that plague societies. People have always wanted a better world, and the young have a very different lens than you to judge that, it's absolutely common to become more conservative when you grow older because you lived through how the world was before, that world is gone and the before of the youth's future is right now, they will strive to make it better just like you might have had in your past. An old man sitting down and pointing fingers at how the youth is corrupted compared to their golden days is a tale as old as time, you're just playing your part of this endless cycle... Aristotle ~400 BC: > “[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances. > They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.” Horace ~20-50 BC: > Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt. > The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money. You'll find many, many many many more examples of the same rhetoric across all human writing. Old man yells at cloud, let the youth carry the fire of bettering societies, you already got comfortable and scared.
danaris 2y ago
What are you talking about? This is the first time in modern history where the younger generations are materially worse off than their parents were at the same time on a massive scale—as in, not just in localized areas due to specific circumstances, but in most of the western world.

by jajko 2y ago

rafaelmn 2y ago

Problem is world isn't fair, some people do get it all for free, absurd/perverse scenarios happen all the time. I think what's different in this generation is that it's becoming much more visible to everyone, so even if these are the outliers everything is judged accordingly. Also it's kind of making extremes more acceptable slowly because they are always in the attention sphere. Just look at the political spectrum - Trump really changed the game even here in Europe, politicians lost so much shame - stuff that would previously cause you to resign - now they just do some stupid spin, double down and get even more support from the tribe. I'm mid 30s and I feel things have changed considerably in last 10 years, loss of shame in particular - once you get stuff chewed up by social media as the latest shock fad - everyone gets used to it so fast and it becomes almost normalized (not shocking at least).

gizmo 2y ago

Previous generations lived through world wars, famines, and other devastation. Those born in the wrong place also face unimaginable hardship today, but most of us have not been that unlucky. Still, youth unemployment in the south of Europe has been 20%-40% for the past two decades. You can’t blame people for feeling their prospects are grim when they see all their friends struggling in young adulthood, even when objectively speaking previous generations had to deal with far worse problems. The paradox is that when everybody has a lot of opportunity then competition becomes proportionally more fierce. That gives rise to the impression that things are getting worse when people should conclude the opposite: more people getting more opportunities means more competition. You can’t have upward mobility without commensurate downward mobility.

piva00 2y ago

They don't have it much tougher in life comforts, for sure, but it's not because of that they should be grateful and accepting of all the issues and injustices that plague societies. People have always wanted a better world, and the young have a very different lens than you to judge that, it's absolutely common to become more conservative when you grow older because you lived through how the world was before, that world is gone and the before of the youth's future is right now, they will strive to make it better just like you might have had in your past. An old man sitting down and pointing fingers at how the youth is corrupted compared to their golden days is a tale as old as time, you're just playing your part of this endless cycle... Aristotle ~400 BC: > “[Young people] are high-minded because they have not yet been humbled by life, nor have they experienced the force of circumstances. > They think they know everything, and are always quite sure about it.” Horace ~20-50 BC: > Our sires' age was worse than our grandsires'. We, their sons, are more worthless than they; so in our turn we shall give the world a progeny yet more corrupt. > The beardless youth… does not foresee what is useful, squandering his money. You'll find many, many many many more examples of the same rhetoric across all human writing. Old man yells at cloud, let the youth carry the fire of bettering societies, you already got comfortable and scared.

danaris 2y ago

What are you talking about? This is the first time in modern history where the younger generations are materially worse off than their parents were at the same time on a massive scale—as in, not just in localized areas due to specific circumstances, but in most of the western world.