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Here they would ask you (unless dementia and not arranged, which is an ongoing issue) if you want more morphine and you can keep saying yes until you don’t wake

Here they would ask you (unless dementia and not arranged, which is an ongoing issue) if you want more morphine and you can keep saying yes until you don’t wake up. Or click the button yourself; there is no limit (also; very hackable these limiting machines). Probably many people in a long decline would just hold the button until not waking up; that is the way it should be. Some people worry about the gov making us wear masks; I worry about govs preventing me from getting out when I want to. Not your fucking business mate.

ozim 2y ago
You know that government doesn’t care about you. They care about your relatives who are burdened not “accidentally” holding that button for you when somehow you would still like to live.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  In the US, the big reason is religious groups that want to force their religion onto others.
  - anonymouskimmer 2y ago
    There are anti-euthanasia atheists (E.g. Kevin Yuell).
    - dghlsakjg 2y ago
      There are pro assisted suicide religions too. Neither of those matter because they don’t hold massive, disproportional influence over a huge part of the US political establishment.
      - anonymouskimmer 2y ago
        In general in the US only White Evangelical Protestants and Black Protestants have less than a majority who believe assisted suicide / euthanasia should be available for "great pain and no hope of improvement", and those two groups still have over 40% who believe it should be available. And that's as of 2015, so the trend may be higher by now. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/10/05/california-legalizes-assisted-suicide-amid-growing-support-for-such-laws/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/10/05/californi...
    - anonymouskimmer 2y ago
      My bad, it's Yuill.
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    There’s an interesting case right now in Vancouver against the largest hospital downtown which is affiliated with Catholics (I think, St Paul’s is the facility in any case). Several in-patients that opted for medical assistance in dying were refused that treatment by administrators of the hospital on religious grounds, and their families are sueing based on the additional suffering inflicted by having to transfer to other facilities.
    - alsetmusic 2y ago
      If your job duties might go against your religious beliefs, you are responsible for finding other work. Not doing so should be grounds for termination.
    - lotsofpulp 2y ago
      Catholic hospitals are a big problem in the US too.
- dntrkv 2y ago
  That has nothing to do with it. Society in general is just uncomfortable with the idea of euthanasia and politicians don’t want to be labeled as promoting “suicide” It’s just not a great hill to die on since most people that actually care strongly about the issue are the ones bed ridden in the hospital.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  > who are burdened not “accidentally” holding that button That’s almost always a financial incentive though; if you remove that you can see who really cares. I have an open will for my friends and family; everything goes to charity with the taxes and tangible assets worked out so they don’t have issues; they get a net amount of a few million. Everyone else knows they don’t get 1 cent; helps with the accidental button holding.
hn_throwaway_99 2y ago
Yes, this has been my experience with a family friend who died of a brain tumor. Basically, once you're in hospice (in this case it was home hospice) and it's clear you're going to die, they just hook you up to the morphine drip that you can press yourself. Obviously for many people it's still very scary - it is death after all. But the self-administered morphine drip has been around for ages and is relatively uncontroversial.
- anonzzzies 2y ago
  > very scary - it is death after all. Is it? As an atheist I welcome the nothing; no more worrying about filling out taxes and such. Being religious you really should be jumping for joy (although you cannot kill yourself probably), but how is death scary if you believe in something after?
  - jackothy 2y ago
    Because it's hard to fully comprehend or feel complete certainty of what is going to happen.
  - Aerbil313 2y ago
    It’s not the death that is scary, it’s the Judgement Day that’ll come after. Because you don’t know whether you did enough good stuff to go straight to heaven, or first have to suffer in hell to account for your sins. Not all of us believe in a religion that says you are already forgiven and you’ll go to heaven, because God sent himself down to Earth to become His own son to sacrifice Himself to Himself to convince Himself to forgive you.
    - anonzzzies 2y ago
      I was raised with a particularly idiotic strain where you cannot repent or be forgiven; one mistake (however tiny) will be hell and that’s it. It is what made me an atheist at a young age (I think I was not even 10 when I decided it’s a bag of bull): it particularly exposes how weird religion is.
exe34 2y ago
your value is what you contribute to the economy by working and consuming, or helping others work and consume. You're not getting out that easy!

ozim 2y ago

You know that government doesn’t care about you. They care about your relatives who are burdened not “accidentally” holding that button for you when somehow you would still like to live.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
In the US, the big reason is religious groups that want to force their religion onto others.
- anonymouskimmer 2y ago
  There are anti-euthanasia atheists (E.g. Kevin Yuell).
  - dghlsakjg 2y ago
    There are pro assisted suicide religions too. Neither of those matter because they don’t hold massive, disproportional influence over a huge part of the US political establishment.
    - anonymouskimmer 2y ago
      In general in the US only White Evangelical Protestants and Black Protestants have less than a majority who believe assisted suicide / euthanasia should be available for "great pain and no hope of improvement", and those two groups still have over 40% who believe it should be available. And that's as of 2015, so the trend may be higher by now. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/10/05/california-legalizes-assisted-suicide-amid-growing-support-for-such-laws/ https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2015/10/05/californi...
  - anonymouskimmer 2y ago
    My bad, it's Yuill.
- dghlsakjg 2y ago
  There’s an interesting case right now in Vancouver against the largest hospital downtown which is affiliated with Catholics (I think, St Paul’s is the facility in any case). Several in-patients that opted for medical assistance in dying were refused that treatment by administrators of the hospital on religious grounds, and their families are sueing based on the additional suffering inflicted by having to transfer to other facilities.
  - alsetmusic 2y ago
    If your job duties might go against your religious beliefs, you are responsible for finding other work. Not doing so should be grounds for termination.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    Catholic hospitals are a big problem in the US too.
dntrkv 2y ago
That has nothing to do with it. Society in general is just uncomfortable with the idea of euthanasia and politicians don’t want to be labeled as promoting “suicide” It’s just not a great hill to die on since most people that actually care strongly about the issue are the ones bed ridden in the hospital.
anonzzzies 2y ago
> who are burdened not “accidentally” holding that button That’s almost always a financial incentive though; if you remove that you can see who really cares. I have an open will for my friends and family; everything goes to charity with the taxes and tangible assets worked out so they don’t have issues; they get a net amount of a few million. Everyone else knows they don’t get 1 cent; helps with the accidental button holding.

hn_throwaway_99 2y ago

Yes, this has been my experience with a family friend who died of a brain tumor. Basically, once you're in hospice (in this case it was home hospice) and it's clear you're going to die, they just hook you up to the morphine drip that you can press yourself. Obviously for many people it's still very scary - it is death after all. But the self-administered morphine drip has been around for ages and is relatively uncontroversial.

anonzzzies 2y ago
> very scary - it is death after all. Is it? As an atheist I welcome the nothing; no more worrying about filling out taxes and such. Being religious you really should be jumping for joy (although you cannot kill yourself probably), but how is death scary if you believe in something after?
- jackothy 2y ago
  Because it's hard to fully comprehend or feel complete certainty of what is going to happen.
- Aerbil313 2y ago
  It’s not the death that is scary, it’s the Judgement Day that’ll come after. Because you don’t know whether you did enough good stuff to go straight to heaven, or first have to suffer in hell to account for your sins. Not all of us believe in a religion that says you are already forgiven and you’ll go to heaven, because God sent himself down to Earth to become His own son to sacrifice Himself to Himself to convince Himself to forgive you.
  - anonzzzies 2y ago
    I was raised with a particularly idiotic strain where you cannot repent or be forgiven; one mistake (however tiny) will be hell and that’s it. It is what made me an atheist at a young age (I think I was not even 10 when I decided it’s a bag of bull): it particularly exposes how weird religion is.

exe34 2y ago

your value is what you contribute to the economy by working and consuming, or helping others work and consume. You're not getting out that easy!