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>The whole ecosystem around it is an example of Conways law This is such an inaccurate take. >we need to stop using containers as bags Containers and contain

>The whole ecosystem around it is an example of Conways law This is such an inaccurate take. >we need to stop using containers as bags Containers and container orchestration are a NEEDED and REQUIRED piece of the technology stack in the current reality. That doesn't mean people need to be ignorant of the details that make them work. As someone who's been around for a while we are in a better place than when we had "dedicated operations people" that just gatekept everything. What you hate are teams just parroting what other people are doing with the tech, not the tech itself. But let me tell you, if you're going to have teams of people pretend to know what they're doing wrapping it in a standard "bag" sure does make it a hell of a lot fucking easier to unfuck when things go wrong.

zer00eyz 2y ago
> Containers and container orchestration are a NEEDED and REQUIRED piece of the technology stack in the current reality. If you're deploying NODEjs apps to the cloud, they sure are. > if you're going to have teams of people pretend to know what they're doing wrapping it in a standard "bag" sure does make it a hell of a lot fucking easier to unfuck when things go wrong. No one looks in the bag, they just roll back, the bag is opaque, the bag breeds more bags, less trnasparency and higher costs. Step back and read what you wrote, if you described any other relationship in your life in these terms, your friends would be having an intervention. The codependent circle jerk has enabled so much bad behavior. The tooling you're advocating for is an enabler. I want App Store like software roll outs. The infrastructure we have is kind of like that, if you don't look too close. We need to start doing the hard work to make it not suck. We need to stop pretending that this is a good place and put in the work to make it better. Otherwise its never going to get untucked...
- whoknowsidont 2y ago
  >If you're deploying NODEjs apps to the cloud, they sure are. I don't use nodejs. >No one looks in the bag I sure have. Plenty of times. >if you described any other relationship in your life in these terms, your friends would be having an intervention. For having a standard tool that you know how to use? That doesn't seem correct and it certainly isn't proportional. >I want App Store like software roll outs. Okay it sounds like you want K8's.
bigstrat2003 2y ago
> Containers and container orchestration are a NEEDED and REQUIRED piece of the technology stack in the current reality. That is not remotely true. Containers (and their orchestration) are a choice. Obviously people have their reasons for making that choice, but it is in no way a requirement. To say otherwise is either profound hyperbole or ignorance.

zer00eyz 2y ago

> Containers and container orchestration are a NEEDED and REQUIRED piece of the technology stack in the current reality. If you're deploying NODEjs apps to the cloud, they sure are. > if you're going to have teams of people pretend to know what they're doing wrapping it in a standard "bag" sure does make it a hell of a lot fucking easier to unfuck when things go wrong. No one looks in the bag, they just roll back, the bag is opaque, the bag breeds more bags, less trnasparency and higher costs. Step back and read what you wrote, if you described any other relationship in your life in these terms, your friends would be having an intervention. The codependent circle jerk has enabled so much bad behavior. The tooling you're advocating for is an enabler. I want App Store like software roll outs. The infrastructure we have is kind of like that, if you don't look too close. We need to start doing the hard work to make it not suck. We need to stop pretending that this is a good place and put in the work to make it better. Otherwise its never going to get untucked...

whoknowsidont 2y ago
>If you're deploying NODEjs apps to the cloud, they sure are. I don't use nodejs. >No one looks in the bag I sure have. Plenty of times. >if you described any other relationship in your life in these terms, your friends would be having an intervention. For having a standard tool that you know how to use? That doesn't seem correct and it certainly isn't proportional. >I want App Store like software roll outs. Okay it sounds like you want K8's.

bigstrat2003 2y ago

> Containers and container orchestration are a NEEDED and REQUIRED piece of the technology stack in the current reality. That is not remotely true. Containers (and their orchestration) are a choice. Obviously people have their reasons for making that choice, but it is in no way a requirement. To say otherwise is either profound hyperbole or ignorance.