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> Didn’t they fire all their in-house QA ages ago? No, they didn’t? Like most other companies 10 (or so) years ago they transitioned their internal QA teams to
by eddythompson80 2y ago
> Didn’t they fire all their in-house QA ages ago?
No, they didn’t? Like most other companies 10 (or so) years ago they transitioned their internal QA teams to development-role teams. Unless you’re referring to some particular XBOX gaming studio. For Windows there was some layoffs at the time of QA-to-dev transition, but they didn’t “fire all their in-house QA”. They just moved them to the current “industry standard” dev-qa-ops model, unfortunately.
- toast0 2y agoI mean, it's true that the eliminated the engineer in test position. They didn't necessarily fire all the people in that position, because probably many of them switched to a new role. But keeping the people and giving them a new role means the old role isn't being done, and I don't think it's done good things for product quality. The old way was expensive, and far from industry norms, but the product was more reliable.
- ThrowawayB7 2y agoActually, for the Operating Systems Group specifically, it was reportedly a straight up layoff of all testers. See https://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-employees-who-else-is-microsoft-laying-off/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-empl... Other divisions reportedly transitioned their testers to developers, which didn't work out well (big surprise) and resulted in heavy attrition later.
- eddythompson80 2y agoDid you read the article you linked to? The article is from 2014 saying that Microsoft laid off ~12K after acquiring ~18k of Nokia employees 3 years prior. That left ~5k out of total ~135k, at the time, unaccounted for per Microsoft announcement. Microsoft had 1:1 dev:QA before that. Even if those ~5k were entirely from OSG QA (they weren’t), it wouldn’t come close to “fire all their in-house QA”