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Microsoft pauses Windows 11 update as it's sending some PCs into infinite reboot
- LeoPanthera 2y agoI've always chosen not to install the "preview" updates, and always been a little surprised that Microsoft offers them at all. Isn't that what beta testing is for? I guess this justifies my decision.
- userbinator 2y agoIsn't that what beta testing is for? MS stopped caring about quality long ago. Now they seem to be experimenting with how abusive they can be towards users.
- bee_rider 2y agoPreview is a euphemism for beta testing, right? Didn’t they fire all their in-house QA ages ago?
- eddythompson80 2y ago> Didn’t they fire all their in-house QA ages ago? No, they didn’t? Like most other companies 10 (or so) years ago they transitioned their internal QA teams to development-role teams. Unless you’re referring to some particular XBOX gaming studio. For Windows there was some layoffs at the time of QA-to-dev transition, but they didn’t “fire all their in-house QA”. They just moved them to the current “industry standard” dev-qa-ops model, unfortunately.
- toast0 2y agoI mean, it's true that the eliminated the engineer in test position. They didn't necessarily fire all the people in that position, because probably many of them switched to a new role. But keeping the people and giving them a new role means the old role isn't being done, and I don't think it's done good things for product quality. The old way was expensive, and far from industry norms, but the product was more reliable.
- ThrowawayB7 2y agoActually, for the Operating Systems Group specifically, it was reportedly a straight up layoff of all testers. See https://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-employees-who-else-is-microsoft-laying-off/ https://www.zdnet.com/article/beyond-12500-former-nokia-empl... Other divisions reportedly transitioned their testers to developers, which didn't work out well (big surprise) and resulted in heavy attrition later.
- eddythompson80 2y agoDid you read the article you linked to? The article is from 2014 saying that Microsoft laid off ~12K after acquiring ~18k of Nokia employees 3 years prior. That left ~5k out of total ~135k, at the time, unaccounted for per Microsoft announcement. Microsoft had 1:1 dev:QA before that. Even if those ~5k were entirely from OSG QA (they weren’t), it wouldn’t come close to “fire all their in-house QA”
- quaintdev 2y agoIt's a scream test. Push it and see if users scream.
- makeitdouble 2y agoIs it wrong to have additional levels beyond beta ? At least I'm glad they keep an isolated channel for these early deployments.
- PikachuEXE 2y agoI would argue that the whole latest win11 is THE "preview" update (so I will wait for win 12 and see if I want to switch)
- jhickok 2y agoI somewhat suspect that AI-Everywhere is going to make we want to skip 12 as well.
- fourteenfour 2y agoI'm interested in the future naming schemes they are no doubt focus grouping now. Will we see Windows Series X? Windows '25? There's no way MS would do a Win13.
- LeoPanthera 2y agoThat's a hard argument to justify given that Windows 10 will no longer be supported before the end of this year.
- toast0 2y agoMicrosoft currently says: > Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025. [1] So we've got a year and change. And they may push it back, like they pushed back EoL when people didn't upgrade from XP or 7. [1] https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows-10-home-and-pro https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/lifecycle/products/windows...
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- userbinator 2y agoAt least it's not deleting user data: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189139 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18189139
- Dwedit 2y agoAt least it's not the "systemd-tmpfiles" command that deletes /home.
- jchw 2y agoThat's not a system update, though; you do actually need to actively run a pretty specific command to get the systemd-tmpfiles behavior. Closest thing I can recall was the old Steam for Linux bug that accidentally tried to rm rf /.
- devsda 2y agoRelated issue: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/33349 https://github.com/systemd/systemd/issues/33349 . There' a fix available. The summary of issue is "systemd-tmpfiles" also creates/manages '/home' in some cases and if one tries to run that command with "--purge" and expect it to just clean-up all generated temp files, it will delete '/home' too! Not looking to start a flamewar, but sometimes the criticisms of massive scope creep in systemd do feel justified.
- spoonjim 2y agoIt’s good practice to wait 5 years after launch before upgrading Windows
- xyst 2y agoI live on the edge and just never upgrade my gaming PC. Only for drivers ;)
- emeril 2y agoyeah, I never upgrade anything in windows besides my web browser as that's the primary attack vector oddly enough I have a computer at work which works better than all the rest of my colleagues who go through updates on a weekly basis which often break their machines...
- eddythompson80 2y agoThis is just a symptom of “Looks good let’s ship it and monitor logs” practice that almost every company has moved to, or an issue with some external driver. For the latter, it’s unfortunate but you’ll rarely find a company diss`ing another company. Especially so if they are a Fortune 500 companies or if they are a major B2B company. Microsoft is both a Fortune 500 (Fortune 2?), and a major B2B company. You’ll never find a major B2B company dissing their B customers. In the Linux world, the first is usually addressed with a “oh! the config for that moved from X to Y. We didn’t write a migration script, but did you not follow our open source development mail list? Recreate your config files following this example. We’ll write an update to handle it” or “fuck Nvidia/Intel/AMD, they are fucking morons and fucked up their drivers. Fucking idiots”
- pyeri 2y agoIt could also turn out into a business model in future wherein the "enterprise" feature (to delay these updates) will cost a premium subscription - similar to how Youtube releases a premium version which only stops their crappy ads.
- eddythompson80 2y agoI think the “future” is closer than you think :)
- deaddodo 2y agoI'm actually 100% fine with this business model, if it's cost acceptable. I use YouTube for an hour+ a day and YouTube music for hours, having access to both of those services ad-free is fine by me. Their service is 6-13usd/mo (depending on your location) and gives daily entertainment, while other streaming services want you to pay 10-30usd/mo for maybe 1-2hrs/week of content, for maybe the length of a single series season. What annoys me is creators double-dipping and adding sponsor reads throughout their video, to the point I have to run an extension (SponsorBlock) to get passed those. Or them gating arbitrary application specific features (PIP being a big one) behind their premium service.
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- Pxtl 2y agoThe "every other major Windows release" rule has held since Windows 2000. 2000 take. ME, skip. XP, take. Vista, skip. 7, take. 8, skip. 10, take. 11? Definitely skip.
- Madmallard 2y agoaren't they forcing windows 11 on people?
- Dalewyn 2y agoAt least count them properly: NT 3.1 - Good(?). NT 3.5 - Bad(?). NT 4.0 - Good(?). 2000 - Bad(?!) XP - Good(?). Vista - Bad. 7 - Good. 8 - Bad. 8.1 - Good(???). 10 - Bad. 11 - Good(?). And before anyone asks, yes this is a bad meme and doesn't even make any sense.
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- toast0 2y agoEven numbered Trek Films/FreeBSD releases/Windows releases don't suck? I don't think it quite works though, because NT4 and NT5 (2k) were both good, although NT4 was hard to use with many games and win2k was better but still had some issues. I didn't hate XP on release and people grew to like it. So that's kind of 3 hits in a row, but then vista bad, 7 good, 8.x bad, 10 good, 11 bad kind of fits the pattern.
- ralmidani 2y agoWindows 2000 was the successor to Windows NT 4. On the consumer side, there was 95, then 98, then 98 SE (Second Edition), and then ME.
- userbinator 2y agoOn the consumer side, there was 95, then 98, then 98 SE (Second Edition), and then ME. ...and with the exception of ME, all of those were actual improvements.
- mensetmanusman 2y agoThese PCs have entered an event horizon.
- Ruq 2y agowindows moment
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- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y agoMicrosoft has their own botnet.^1 It's called Windows Update. 1. "If we can't stop Windows botnets, we will just create our own."
- b0ner_t0ner 2y agoI'm so excited for Microsoft Team's version 2 July 1st worldwide roll out. It'll be smooth as butter, right? Right?