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Is there actually any point in using it? My initial thought was they would allow a more “atom” approach while still keeping all the vscode functionality. But i

Is there actually any point in using it? My initial thought was they would allow a more “atom” approach while still keeping all the vscode functionality. But it looks like it’s aimed more for “building your own IDE” without having to start from scratch, feels just like the old eclipse. Maybe I’m missing something but why would anyone bother using this?

richardw 2y ago
My read was different. That this is an IDE with plugins and whatnot, and they have a similarly named but entirely different offering: “Note that Eclipse Theia IDE is a separate component from the overall Theia project's related Eclipse Theia Platform, used to build IDEs and tools based on modern web technologies.” No idea why they didn’t brand them differently. The base is different (built more on VSCode platforms and not Theia the platform), unlike old Eclipse that had a split between the base and the IDE built from that base. I think that is very confusing.
- kumarvvr 2y ago
  Theia platform is the foundation to build custom IDE. TheiaIDE is one, dare I say official, implementation of an IDE on the platform. To me, that seems congruent.
  - richardw 2y ago
    Yup, on reading the actual Theia website I realise I got it wrong. Thanks :)
fbdab103 2y ago
I am becoming increasingly concerned with my reliance upon VSCode. With Microsoft's increasingly visible dark-pattern shenanigans, it feels inevitable that eventually the other shoe is going to drop. A few design decisions of the platform seemed designed to make it difficult to go elsewhere, and Microsoft keeps changing default plugins away from the fully open source versions to the Microsoft quasi-kinda-pinky-swear-open source variety. Which deprives the open source versions of mind share and development resources.
- catgary 2y ago
  I’m ready to switch over to fleet for my ML/data science work load once they support plugins (so I can use Ruff) and Jupyter notebooks (the notebooks are mainly for debugging).
  - claytonwramsey 2y ago
    For now, you may want to use VSCodium [1], which is a variant of VSCode which doesn't ship any non-free components (and also doesn't include Microsoft telemetry and such). [1]: https://vscodium.com/ https://vscodium.com/
    - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
      https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/index.md#disable-telemetry https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/index.... > Even though we do not pass the telemetry build flags (and go out of our way to cripple the baked-in telemetry), Microsoft will still track usage by default.
      - johnisgood 2y ago
        What is meant by "usage"?
- toprerules 2y ago
  I mean, what's holding you back from using neovim? Great plugins, same LSPs, anything that's missing you can code up yourself in Lua, works over ssh... what are you really gaining by using VSCode?
  - aniviacat 2y ago
    a gui
    - MobiusHorizons 2y ago

richardw 2y ago

My read was different. That this is an IDE with plugins and whatnot, and they have a similarly named but entirely different offering: “Note that Eclipse Theia IDE is a separate component from the overall Theia project's related Eclipse Theia Platform, used to build IDEs and tools based on modern web technologies.” No idea why they didn’t brand them differently. The base is different (built more on VSCode platforms and not Theia the platform), unlike old Eclipse that had a split between the base and the IDE built from that base. I think that is very confusing.

kumarvvr 2y ago
Theia platform is the foundation to build custom IDE. TheiaIDE is one, dare I say official, implementation of an IDE on the platform. To me, that seems congruent.
- richardw 2y ago
  Yup, on reading the actual Theia website I realise I got it wrong. Thanks :)

fbdab103 2y ago

I am becoming increasingly concerned with my reliance upon VSCode. With Microsoft's increasingly visible dark-pattern shenanigans, it feels inevitable that eventually the other shoe is going to drop. A few design decisions of the platform seemed designed to make it difficult to go elsewhere, and Microsoft keeps changing default plugins away from the fully open source versions to the Microsoft quasi-kinda-pinky-swear-open source variety. Which deprives the open source versions of mind share and development resources.

catgary 2y ago
I’m ready to switch over to fleet for my ML/data science work load once they support plugins (so I can use Ruff) and Jupyter notebooks (the notebooks are mainly for debugging).
- claytonwramsey 2y ago
  For now, you may want to use VSCodium [1], which is a variant of VSCode which doesn't ship any non-free components (and also doesn't include Microsoft telemetry and such). [1]: https://vscodium.com/ https://vscodium.com/
  - yjftsjthsd-h 2y ago
    https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/index.md#disable-telemetry https://github.com/VSCodium/vscodium/blob/master/docs/index.... > Even though we do not pass the telemetry build flags (and go out of our way to cripple the baked-in telemetry), Microsoft will still track usage by default.
    - johnisgood 2y ago
      What is meant by "usage"?
toprerules 2y ago
I mean, what's holding you back from using neovim? Great plugins, same LSPs, anything that's missing you can code up yourself in Lua, works over ssh... what are you really gaining by using VSCode?
- aniviacat 2y ago
  a gui
  - MobiusHorizons 2y ago