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> as if the Roman empire wasn't on par with the western empire today Huh? I mean, no, technologically it... definitely wasn't. Remind me how many teraflops the

> as if the Roman empire wasn't on par with the western empire today Huh? I mean, no, technologically it... definitely wasn't. Remind me how many teraflops the most powerful Roman computer was capable of? The Romans were plenty advanced, sure, but that's just a nonsense statement.

thriftwy 2y ago
They had huge stadiums, though. Modern people had very little idea why you would have a stone stadium until around XX century.
ClumsyPilot 2y ago
> Remind me how many teraflops the most powerful Roman computer was capable of? Bad metric. We could go to the moon in the 70’s, and had supersonic passenger planes, and we could build at scale. Today California can’t build a train, building a nuclear powerplant takes 20 years and we can’t go to the moon and don’t have supersonic passenger planes. So we have partially regressed despite having more terraflops
- firen777 2y ago
  "Can't" vs "won't" is a huge distinction. All the examples you provided are either economically non-viable, bureaucratic landmines, or believed to be pointless. You can argue whether those arguments are justified, but the point is we didn't forget the technology.
  - ithkuil 2y ago
    Indeed politics, culture and posturing can be strong incentives that change the economics balance. If the Roman empire had one thing as advanced as our modern states that wasn't technology per se but the politics, the politicking the perverse incentives to do something to show for and a public whose murmur mattered. If some city official decided to impress visitors with some smooth roads perhaps he found a solution that wasn't strictly the best economically but perhaps it had other advantages that helped him getting a promotion?
  - ClumsyPilot 2y ago
    I think this is pure copium. It’s use it or lose it - if you ‘won’t’ and chose not to build nuclear reactors for 40 years, then wake up one day and decide to do it, you will find that you can’t. Experience engineers will have retired or found other jobs. Knowledge is gone. The books have been lost, etc. If you haven’t been to the moon for 40 years, then you can’t any more. That’s two generations of people. Ability is not like a statue that you keep in a museum. Even a car will not start after sitting the garage for 10 years. Organisations and people fall apart even faster.
    - lukan 2y ago
      But we do go to the moon om a regular base. Just not with humans, as robots are cheaper.

thriftwy 2y ago

They had huge stadiums, though. Modern people had very little idea why you would have a stone stadium until around XX century.

ClumsyPilot 2y ago

> Remind me how many teraflops the most powerful Roman computer was capable of? Bad metric. We could go to the moon in the 70’s, and had supersonic passenger planes, and we could build at scale. Today California can’t build a train, building a nuclear powerplant takes 20 years and we can’t go to the moon and don’t have supersonic passenger planes. So we have partially regressed despite having more terraflops

firen777 2y ago
"Can't" vs "won't" is a huge distinction. All the examples you provided are either economically non-viable, bureaucratic landmines, or believed to be pointless. You can argue whether those arguments are justified, but the point is we didn't forget the technology.
- ithkuil 2y ago
  Indeed politics, culture and posturing can be strong incentives that change the economics balance. If the Roman empire had one thing as advanced as our modern states that wasn't technology per se but the politics, the politicking the perverse incentives to do something to show for and a public whose murmur mattered. If some city official decided to impress visitors with some smooth roads perhaps he found a solution that wasn't strictly the best economically but perhaps it had other advantages that helped him getting a promotion?
- ClumsyPilot 2y ago
  I think this is pure copium. It’s use it or lose it - if you ‘won’t’ and chose not to build nuclear reactors for 40 years, then wake up one day and decide to do it, you will find that you can’t. Experience engineers will have retired or found other jobs. Knowledge is gone. The books have been lost, etc. If you haven’t been to the moon for 40 years, then you can’t any more. That’s two generations of people. Ability is not like a statue that you keep in a museum. Even a car will not start after sitting the garage for 10 years. Organisations and people fall apart even faster.
  - lukan 2y ago
    But we do go to the moon om a regular base. Just not with humans, as robots are cheaper.