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I can't wait to see what JWZ has to say about this.
by s1mon 2y ago
I can't wait to see what JWZ has to say about this.
- Waterluvian 2y agoWho/what is JWZ?
- TMWNN 2y ago[flagged]
- fragmede 2y agowhat a terrible take. no wonder referrals to his site from this one get the treatment it does.
- TMWNN 2y agoThis is the first time I have ever discussed jwz here. I have no particular brief for, or against, whatever HN's "consensus" on Zawinski is. What I said is based on my reading his blog for more than a decade.
- justin66 2y agoYou believe he’s “eternally bitter” and “mentally ill” but you’ve been reading his blog for over a decade.
- TMWNN 2y agoIt's partially because of inertia, because I put it into my RSS reader a long time ago. It's partially because there are interesting posts every now and then, such as the one about him repurposing his old Lisp Machine terminal, or about XScreeenSaver. And yes, it's partially because rubbernecking while passing by a colossal trainwreck is always entertaining.
- neilv 2y agoJWZ is a skilled and noteworthy hacker, in the sense of HN. IIRC, he decided a long time ago that he'd had enough of crazy startup life, and bought a nightclub, and somehow kept a nightclub going all that time.
- hinkley 2y agoPeople talk the same shit about Woz and Paul Allen too. I could have gotten in on the third big round of hiring at Amazon, but I told my friend I’d rather work until retirement than get rich writing Perl code. People are allowed to have standards, and those standards are allowed to keep you from taking money you don’t feel good about. If it wasn’t then we would all be sex workers. Most pay for the least work.
- wmf 2y agoAs one of the early Netscape employees he should have made pretty good money. He didn't make founder money because he wasn't a founder. As for his personality, I get the impression he was always like that.
- dang 2y agoPlease don't cross into personal attack on HN, regardless of who the person is. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- sib 2y agoJamie Zawinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jamie_Zawinski
- hoten 2y agoTIL he owns and operates DNA Lounge. Thanks for the late night fun and pizza, jwz.
- worstspotgain 2y agoI suspect he made the decision to buy DNA after this: http://home.mcom.com/mozilla.org/1998-03-25/party/ http://home.mcom.com/mozilla.org/1998-03-25/party/ That party was a huge milestone in retrospect. It was the day FOSS went mainstream. Shortly thereafter, the dot-com boom ended and the 90s tech parameters got upended and scrambled.
- davidw 2y agoI went to that! Heady times.
- netsharc 2y agoHis blogs (LiveJournal, and later on, his own WordPress instance) and website has content going all the way back to 1993. I remember finding it as a teenager and reading all the stories and being enchanted by them. At some point he did write why he bought the club, he was moaning about the state of night life in SF, and a friend said something like "Why don't you do something about it?"... so he did. Edit: found it: https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/1998-1999.html https://www.dnalounge.com/backstage/log/1998-1999.html
- r3trohack3r 2y agoI love that this wikipedia article includes a "Principles" section. Is this normal for wiki pages on people?
- deleted 2y ago[deleted]
- NelsonMinar 2y agoThat was my first thought. A few days ago JWZ had a great take on where Mozilla is today: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/06/mozillas-original-sin/ https://www.jwz.org/blog/2024/06/mozillas-original-sin/
- matthewn 2y agoAny link to there from here will only get you JWZ's take on HN.
- lizknope 2y agoThat's kind of hilarious. I guess he's using the HTTP "referer" tag
- neilv 2y agoThere are a bunch of settings in Firefox that affect this (if you don't mind occasionally breaking a Web site in a way no one will bother to diagnose): https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer https://wiki.mozilla.org/Security/Referrer
- hinkley 2y agoJust copy the url and paste it into a new tab.
- neilv 2y agoThat works for viewing a particular page. Why people might want to adjust the `Referer` behavior of the browser is that it leaks more information than you might think.
- lizknope 2y agoThey spelled it "correctly" there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_referer Etymology The misspelling of referrer was introduced in the original proposal by computer scientist Phillip Hallam-Baker to incorporate the "Referer" header field into the HTTP specification.[7][8] The misspelling was set in stone by the time (May 1996) of its incorporation into the Request for Comments standards document RFC 1945[9] (which 'reflects common usage of the protocol referred to as "HTTP/1.0"' at that time); document co-author Roy Fielding remarked in March 1995 that "neither one (referer or referrer) is understood by" the standard Unix spell checker of the period.[10] "Referer" has since become a widely used spelling in the industry when discussing HTTP referrers; usage of the misspelling is not universal, though, as the correct spelling "referrer" is used in some web specifications such as the Referrer-Policy HTTP header or the Document Object Model.[3]
- deaddodo 2y agoDespite JWZ's animosity towards HN, his contributions towards open source and his influence on modern web browsers can't be overstated. In a thread about the history of Mozilla, it's worth reviewing his documentary on the open sourcing of Netscape, Code Rush: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Rush https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code_Rush