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So where do you suggest homeless people sleep

asdff 2y ago
In shelters the city state or federal government sets up. To me we are essentially hosting a concert with no bathrooms. The answer isn't to let people pee and poop without bathrooms at the concert, the answer is to police that behavior while also providing bathrooms.
- crooked-v 2y ago
  The whole point of this judgment is that cities can now illegalize homelessness without needing to build any shelters.
  - asdff 2y ago
    Well, most cities with a homeless crisis today don't exactly have the spare jail capacity to actually enforce anything like that, so I think giving some tools where you can be pragmatic about where an issue is presently taking place while you can attempt to solve it on the back end is useful. My city has already passed laws about homeless camps near dangerous intersections for pedestrians who have to step into the street to avoid the camp, laws about not camping near schools or childcare centers, and its done quite a bit to help the average pedestrian in the neighborhood as a result.
    - crooked-v 2y ago
      I think the most likely "pragmatic tools" that will show up will amount to homeless people being told "take this bus ticket to NYC or San Francisco or we will make your life hell for the next year with maximally unpleasant prosecution".
      - asdff 2y ago
        That's already done to an extent. Other cities in socal have a bit of a history of dumping homeless people into LA city borders. This was just from this past week, the Burbank PD allegedly dumped someone and it was caught on video (1). https://abc7.com/post/los-angeles-demand-answers-homeless-dumping-after-video/14998745/ https://abc7.com/post/los-angeles-demand-answers-homeless-du...
    - pseudalopex 2y ago
      > some tools where you can be pragmatic about where an issue is presently taking place Grants Pass said nowhere in the city. And nearly 40% of cities according to a cited brief.
    - squigz 2y ago
      > most cities with a homeless crisis today don't exactly have the spare jail capacity to actually enforce anything like that I've never heard of a jail capacity shortage in America, so could someone provide some data on this?
      - asdff 2y ago
        Its highly locally dependent. In LA county the jails are pretty full and have about 12000 inmates in the system. There are over 75,000 homeless people in LA county. Its just not realistic that anyone goes to jail over this unless they are causing a safety issue or a significant disturbance to the community.
diogenescynic 2y ago
How about we start with 1000 feet away from housing, schools, and businesses?

In shelters the city state or federal government sets up. To me we are essentially hosting a concert with no bathrooms. The answer isn't to let people pee and poop without bathrooms at the concert, the answer is to police that behavior while also providing bathrooms.

crooked-v 2y ago
The whole point of this judgment is that cities can now illegalize homelessness without needing to build any shelters.
- asdff 2y ago
  Well, most cities with a homeless crisis today don't exactly have the spare jail capacity to actually enforce anything like that, so I think giving some tools where you can be pragmatic about where an issue is presently taking place while you can attempt to solve it on the back end is useful. My city has already passed laws about homeless camps near dangerous intersections for pedestrians who have to step into the street to avoid the camp, laws about not camping near schools or childcare centers, and its done quite a bit to help the average pedestrian in the neighborhood as a result.
  - crooked-v 2y ago
    I think the most likely "pragmatic tools" that will show up will amount to homeless people being told "take this bus ticket to NYC or San Francisco or we will make your life hell for the next year with maximally unpleasant prosecution".
    - asdff 2y ago
      That's already done to an extent. Other cities in socal have a bit of a history of dumping homeless people into LA city borders. This was just from this past week, the Burbank PD allegedly dumped someone and it was caught on video (1). https://abc7.com/post/los-angeles-demand-answers-homeless-dumping-after-video/14998745/ https://abc7.com/post/los-angeles-demand-answers-homeless-du...
  - pseudalopex 2y ago
    > some tools where you can be pragmatic about where an issue is presently taking place Grants Pass said nowhere in the city. And nearly 40% of cities according to a cited brief.
  - squigz 2y ago
    > most cities with a homeless crisis today don't exactly have the spare jail capacity to actually enforce anything like that I've never heard of a jail capacity shortage in America, so could someone provide some data on this?
    - asdff 2y ago
      Its highly locally dependent. In LA county the jails are pretty full and have about 12000 inmates in the system. There are over 75,000 homeless people in LA county. Its just not realistic that anyone goes to jail over this unless they are causing a safety issue or a significant disturbance to the community.

diogenescynic 2y ago

How about we start with 1000 feet away from housing, schools, and businesses?