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> regulating where you can do certain things If people who don't have a home can't sleep on public land, where can they sleep?

asdff 2y ago
In a shelter. Most recent reports suggest that a lot of the new shelters cities have been building are not being used to their intended capacity. Probably because there isn't a way to implore people to go into shelter beyond offering it and trying to move them along from where they are presently camped using existing rulings (such as no camping near a school and other such laws certain cities have passed recently). If peoples choices are instead shelter in the provided shelter or spend a night in jail (which cities don't even have the space in their jails to jail every homeless person today fwiw), they might start filling these shelters, which might show the public that it is worth while to invest more money into building more of them considering they are getting used.Right now, its too easy to convince the public that homeless spending has been a waste of time and money on part of the poor utilization of present affordances. Sentiment on my local city subreddit about an upcoming homeless service tax program is pretty much in the gutter right now.
HDThoreaun 2y ago
They can sleep on public land. Just not public land where it is illegal to sleep. This ruling also allows cities to set up designated camping grounds and banning camping elsewhere which courts ruled was banned in Chico. Why should we accept that the homeless can sleep wherever they like and ruin all the public land for the rest of us?
- pseudalopex 2y ago
  > They can sleep on public land. Just not public land where it is illegal to sleep. Those were the same in Grants Pass. And nearly 40% of cities according to a cited brief.
  - HDThoreaun 2y ago
    The world is much larger than Grants Pass. There is unincorporated land just outside city limits, and blm land not far

asdff 2y ago

In a shelter. Most recent reports suggest that a lot of the new shelters cities have been building are not being used to their intended capacity. Probably because there isn't a way to implore people to go into shelter beyond offering it and trying to move them along from where they are presently camped using existing rulings (such as no camping near a school and other such laws certain cities have passed recently). If peoples choices are instead shelter in the provided shelter or spend a night in jail (which cities don't even have the space in their jails to jail every homeless person today fwiw), they might start filling these shelters, which might show the public that it is worth while to invest more money into building more of them considering they are getting used.Right now, its too easy to convince the public that homeless spending has been a waste of time and money on part of the poor utilization of present affordances. Sentiment on my local city subreddit about an upcoming homeless service tax program is pretty much in the gutter right now.

HDThoreaun 2y ago

They can sleep on public land. Just not public land where it is illegal to sleep. This ruling also allows cities to set up designated camping grounds and banning camping elsewhere which courts ruled was banned in Chico. Why should we accept that the homeless can sleep wherever they like and ruin all the public land for the rest of us?

pseudalopex 2y ago
> They can sleep on public land. Just not public land where it is illegal to sleep. Those were the same in Grants Pass. And nearly 40% of cities according to a cited brief.
- HDThoreaun 2y ago
  The world is much larger than Grants Pass. There is unincorporated land just outside city limits, and blm land not far